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Well yes, the architectural ‘worlds’/ ‘spheres’/ ‘planets’ as they are referred to in TUB are material. There is really no other way to understand the word “planet” than as a material sphere in space. As to your question of why would spiritual beings require a material world to live on – that is indeed one of the mysterious things (among MANY) in TUB that I simply accept on faith. Perhaps there are other, material beings, that perform functions on the material abodes that also house spiritual beings. One thing TUB tells us is that there are an immense variety of types of beings ranging on the spectrum from crudely physical —- sublimely spiritual and everything in between.
43:0.4(485.4) The supervisor seraphim, the third order of local universe angels, are assigned to the service of the constellations. They make their headquarters on the capital spheres and minister extensively to the encircling morontia-training worlds. In Norlatiadek the seventy major spheres, together with the seven hundred minor satellites, are inhabited by the univitatia, the permanent citizens of the constellation. All these architectural worlds are fully administered by the various groups of native life, for the greater part unrevealed but including the efficient spironga and the beautiful spornagia. Being the mid-point in the morontia-training regime, as you might suspect, the morontia life of the constellations is both typical and ideal. 37:10.3(416.3) The Spornagia. The architectural headquarters worlds of the local universe are real worlds — physical creations. There is much work connected with their physical upkeep, and herein we have the assistance of a group of physical creatures called spornagia. They are devoted to the care and culture of the material phases of these headquarters worlds, from Jerusem to Salvington. Spornagia are neither spirits nor persons; they are an animal order of existence, but if you could see them, you would agree that they seem to be perfect animals.
Thank you Keryn for your always lucid and informative perspective!! I am thinking, based on an initial review of the many quotes on the architectural spheres that each of those may well be positioned specifically and precisely in space to create a network of energy and mass that brings equilibrium and additional network connectivity to the evolutionary stars and spheres by forms of gravity circuits, etc. Further evidence that their function and formation are indeed physical, material (if morontial material) and critical to creation, evolution, stabilization, and harmonization of all of time and space and that the architectural spheres of Paradise/Havona are the center of this network of force and energy and matter.
Such a perspective obviously contradicts any claim that architectural spheres are either “virtual” or transportation devices. As if the Revelation is not spectacular enough as written, there are those who deign to rewrite, distort, misrepresent, and presume superior knowledge, greater even than the authors of the Revelation. Very revealing. Troubling. And without merit. Thanks for speaking up and allowing the authors to speak for themselves, which they do very well. The Revelation delivers a wondrous vision and detailed description of the orderly, planned, managed, purposeful, and glorious universe of universes. While there is much yet unrevealed it is puzzling why some find a need to reinvent and misrepresent what has been so revealed to us. This reality presented is not enough for some. Unfortunate….but mostly for them!!
(174.2) 15:7.2 Time is standardized on the headquarters of the superuniverses. The standard day of the superuniverse of Orvonton is equal to almost thirty days of Urantia time, and the Orvonton year equals one hundred standard days. This Uversa year is standard in the seventh superuniverse, and it is twenty-two minutes short of three thousand days of Urantia time, about eight and one fifth of your years.
On the issue of ‘time’ differences, there is a chronomatic element to time and all time is measured and not distorted by any creature or mind despite the claims of some. Spheres spin at many different velocities and have many different sizes and so each sphere measures time independently and yet relatively. Not rocket science. Time is as real as space although it exists within eternity and infinity.
Material spheres are not evolved or constructed, I do not think, FOR totally spiritized beings but, rather, for the co-existence of all forms and every form of life. The worlds of Havona are also material in their way and are so to minister to every level of reality in all the universe of universes and all the forms of life created at every level of creation. Co-habitation is the purpose I think. We should remember that one time mortal ascenders and now finaliters can experience EVERY level of creation from the basic evolutionary material to pure spirit. I think the universe of universes is designed, planned, and constructed for this interactive reality of all levels of reality.
Thank you Keryn!!
Well yes, the architectural ‘worlds’/ ‘spheres’/ ‘planets’ as they are referred to in TUB are material. There is really no other way to understand the word “planet” than as a material sphere in space. As to your question of why would spiritual beings require a material world to live on – that is indeed one of the mysterious things (among MANY) in TUB that I simply accept on faith. Perhaps there are other, material beings, that perform functions on the material abodes that also house spiritual beings. One thing TUB tells us is that there are an immense variety of types of beings ranging on the spectrum from crudely physical —- sublimely spiritual and everything in between.
Well, our souls and our adjusters do just fine on this planet Urantia. They are not floating in space or sinking to the core of the planet.
Hello Mara,Consider the following quote:
47:3.8 (533.6) Almost the entire experience of mansion world number one pertains to deficiency ministry. Survivors arriving on this first of the detention spheres present so many and such varied defects of creature character and deficiencies of mortal experience that the major activities of the realm are occupied with the correction and cure of these manifold legacies of the life in the flesh on the material evolutionary worlds of time and space.Question: These “defects of creature character and deficiencies of mortal experience,” are they personality traits accumulated during the here-and-now and carried over into the mansion world? If so, how are they able to make their way to the mansion world? What vehicle is transporting them? If not, when did the personality acquire these traits?47:3.8 (533.6) Almost the entire experience of mansion world number one pertains to deficiency ministry. Survivors arriving on this first of the detention spheres present so many and such varied defects of creature character and deficiencies of mortal experience that the major activities of the realm are occupied with the correction and cure of these manifold legacies of the life in the flesh on the material evolutionary worlds of time and space.
47:3.8 (533.6) Almost the entire experience of mansion world number one pertains to deficiency ministry. Survivors arriving on this first of the detention spheres present so many and such varied defects of creature character and deficiencies of mortal experience that the major activities of the realm are occupied with the correction and cure of these manifold legacies of the life in the flesh on the material evolutionary worlds of time and space.
When we get to M1 or M2, of course we have deficiencies! We have potential, but we have baggage, inherited or otherwise. We have character flaws and animal vestigial traits to get over. We will have to remediate mortal habits of thinking and correct ourselves in order to advance. For example, the habit of being critical of others. (I am not pointing a finger at anyone on this forum! Just picking out a habit of thinking many people I know demonstrate every day.)
102:7.6 [. . .] It requires no great depth of intellect to pick flaws, ask questions, or raise objections. But it does require brilliance of mind to answer these questions and solve these difficulties; faith certainty is the greatest technique for dealing with all such superficial contentions.
What are superficial contentions? Arguing about who is right and who is wrong? Or complaining about your co-workers or your spiritual brother by criticizing the way he/she expresses him/herself? Or criticizing your superior, your boss, the government, the system, or an utter stranger? The way a stranger looks? Making assumptions about people? Mercilessly judging people you don’t even know? Judging and making assumptions about people you DO know? Our Adjuster forebears throughout all of our missteps and unproductive habits, because the Adjuster is a divine parent – God, a faithful partner to our better and *future spiritual self*. . .
(1193.5)108:6.6 And as you are the human parent, so is the Adjuster the divine parent of the real you, your higher and advancing self, your better morontial and future spiritual self. And it is this evolving morontial soul that the judges and censors discern when they decree your survival and pass you upward to new worlds and never-ending existence in eternal liaison with your faithful partner — God, the Adjuster.
All we have to do is co-operate with what God has in store for us.
BB
Do these quotes help you?
111.2.2 The material mind of mortal man is the cosmic loom that carries the morontia fabrics on which the indwelling Thought Adjuster threads the spirit patterns of a universe character of enduring values and divine meanings — a surviving soul of ultimate destiny and unending career, a potential finaliter.
112:6.7 Mortal mind, prior to death, is self-consciously independent of the Adjuster presence; adjutant mind needs only the associated material-energy pattern to enable it to operate. But the morontia soul, being superadjutant, does not retain self-consciousness without the Adjuster when deprived of the material-mind mechanism. This evolving soul does, however, possess a continuing character derived from the decisions of its former associated adjutant mind, and this character becomes active memory when the patterns thereof are energized by the returning Adjuster.
156:5.2 It was during this same sermon that Jesus made use of his first and only parable having to do with his own trade — carpentry. In the course of his admonition to “Build well the foundations for the growth of a noble character of spiritual endowments,” he said: “In order to yield the fruits of the spirit, you must be born of the spirit. You must be taught by the spirit and be led by the spirit if you would live the spirit-filled life among your fellows. But do not make the mistake of the foolish carpenter who wastes valuable time squaring, measuring, and smoothing his worm-eaten and inwardly rotting timber and then, when he has thus bestowed all of his labor upon the unsound beam, must reject it as unfit to enter into the foundations of the building which he would construct to withstand the assaults of time and storm. Let every man make sure that the intellectual and moral foundations of character are such as will adequately support the superstructure of the enlarging and ennobling spiritual nature, which is thus to transform the mortal mind and then, in association with that re-created mind, is to achieve the evolvement of the soul of immortal destiny. Your spirit nature — the jointly created soul — is a living growth, but the mind and morals of the individual are the soil from which these higher manifestations of human development and divine destiny must spring. The soil of the evolving soul is human and material, but the destiny of this combined creature of mind and spirit is spiritual and divine.” The below first three revelations I believe explain how character traits survive the transition from the here-and-now to the afterlife. TA replicates them; TA energies patterns it has duplicated. A really simple concept. If the pattern finds no duplication in TA it perishes; it cannot survive the transition to the afterlife (see 47:4.5).
112:6.7 Mortal mind, prior to death, is self-consciously independent of the Adjuster presence; adjutant mind needs only the associated material-energy pattern to enable it to operate. But the morontia soul, being superadjutant, does not retain self-consciousness without the Adjuster when deprived of the material-mind mechanism. This evolving soul does, however, possess a continuing character derived from the decisions of its former associated adjutant mind, and this character becomes active memory when the patterns thereof are energized by the returning Adjuster.
and this…
40:9.2 …the Adjusters effectively build up the same spirit counterpart of mortal nature — the soul
and this…
108:6.5 These faithful custodians of the future career unfailingly duplicate every mental creation with a spiritual counterpart; they are thus slowly and surely re-creating you as you really are (only spiritually) for resurrection on the survival worlds. And all of these exquisite spirit re-creations are being preserved in the emerging reality of your evolving and immortal soul, your morontia self. These realities are actually there, notwithstanding that the Adjuster is seldom able to exalt these duplicate creations sufficiently to exhibit them to the light of consciousness.
Now we can analyze these…
111:7.3 Why do you not aid the Adjuster in the task of showing you the spiritual counterpart of all these strenuous material efforts? Why do you not allow the Adjuster to strengthen you with the spiritual truths of cosmic power while you wrestle with the temporal difficulties of creature existence? Why do you not encourage the heavenly helper to cheer you with the clear vision of the eternal outlook of universal life as you gaze in perplexity at the problems of the passing hour? Why do you refuse to be enlightened and
inspired by the universe viewpoint while you toil amidst the handicaps of time and flounder in the maze of uncertainties which beset your mortal life journey? Why not allow the Adjuster to spiritualize your thinking, even though your feet must tread the material paths of earthly endeavor?- What is ‘strenuous material efforts’?
- What is ‘difficulties of creature existence’?
- What is ‘problems of the passing hour’?
- What is ‘handicaps of time and uncertainties which beset mortal life journey’?
- What is ‘material paths of earthly endeavor’?
The above are all duplicated by the Adjuster; they all have a spiritual counterpart if the experiences they impart on the soul have spiritual value or significance. But bear in mind, these experiences differ from soul to soul. What may survive in one person, may not hold true in another.
BB
I’d explain it this way…To spiritualize one’s thought is to find spiritual value in it. A firearm I’d say is a good analogy right about now… A firearm could be used for good (defense) or bad (crime). The good would be the spiritual value and the bad would be the purely animalistic value. So it depends on the soul’s perspective. Two souls could think the same thought but the experience from the thought or engaging the thought through action could be different.You forgot one: What does it mean to spiritualize your thinking?
BB
Yeah, but the quote says that the Adjuster spiritualizes our thinking, not us. We allow him to do it. . . . Why not allow the Adjuster to spiritualize your thinking . . . (111:7.3)
The adjuster spiritualizes our thinking. That is a given. What exactly in my replies made you think I thought otherwise? Perhaps I did not communicate effectively.Yeah, but the quote says that the Adjuster spiritualizes our thinking, not us. We allow him to do it. . . . Why not allow the Adjuster to spiritualize your thinking . . . (111:7.3)
BB
Here are a few good quotes on spiritualized thinking:
108:5.5 The Mystery Monitors are not thought helpers; they are thought adjusters. They labor with the material mind for the purpose of constructing, by adjustment and spiritualization, a new mind for the new worlds and the new name of your future career.
110:4.2 The Thought Adjuster is engaged in a constant effort so to spiritualize your mind as to evolve your morontia soul; but you yourself are mostly unconscious of this inner ministry. You are quite incapable of distinguishing the product of your own material intellect from that of the conjoint activities of your soul and the Adjuster.
108:5.5 The Mystery Monitors are not thought helpers; they are thought adjusters. They labor with the material mind for the purpose of constructing, by adjustment and spiritualization, a new mind for the new worlds and the new name of your future career.
110:4.2 The Thought Adjuster is engaged in a constant effort so to spiritualize your mind as to evolve your morontia soul; but you yourself are mostly unconscious of this inner ministry. You are quite incapable of distinguishing the product of your own material intellect from that of the conjoint activities of your soul and the Adjuster.
As Bonita presented these two UB quotes, in reference to “spiritualized thinking”, I still find it difficult to associate “thinking” or “thought” as not being spiritual in nature, at least until these thoughts may be verbalized through speech, even though many verbalize thought within their conscious interaction. Thought would be considered as spiritual only in that it is not material until either spoken or acted out, so the usage in the UB of “Thought Adjuster” can be somewhat associated but really cannot be validated because of what has been presented in the UB that the adjustment of thought is somewhat unconscious. So, I looked for more defining text in the UB that may illustrate how this adjustment can take place, where which I found the following section which seems to explain this process, although it is specific to some altered associated types of Adjusters, but could also apply, in essence, to a more normal process, by what is not presented.
5. Material Handicaps to Adjuster Indwelling
(1199.2) 109:5.1 Supreme and self-acting Adjusters are often able to contribute factors of spiritual import to the human mind when it flows freely in the liberated but controlled channels of creative imagination. At such times, and sometimes during sleep, the Adjuster is able to arrest the mental currents, to stay the flow, and then to divert the idea procession; and all this is done in order to effect deep spiritual transformations in the higher recesses of the superconsciousness. Thus are the forces and energies of mind more fully adjusted to the key of the contactual tones of the spiritual level of the present and the future.
(1199.3) 109:5.2 It is sometimes possible to have the mind illuminated, to hear the divine voice that continually speaks within you, so that you may become partially conscious of the wisdom, truth, goodness, and beauty of the potential personality constantly indwelling you.
(1199.4) 109:5.3 But your unsteady and rapidly shifting mental attitudes often result in thwarting the plans and interrupting the work of the Adjusters. Their work is not only interfered with by the innate natures of the mortal races, but this ministry is also greatly retarded by your own preconceived opinions, settled ideas, and long-standing prejudices. Because of these handicaps, many times only their unfinished creations emerge into consciousness, and confusion of concept is inevitable. Therefore, in scrutinizing mental situations, safety lies only in the prompt recognition of each and every thought and experience for just what it actually and fundamentally is, disregarding entirely what it might have been.
(1199.5) 109:5.4 The great problem of life is the adjustment of the ancestral tendencies of living to the demands of the spiritual urges initiated by the divine presence of the Mystery Monitor. While in the universe and superuniverse careers no man can serve two masters, in the life you now live on Urantia every man must perforce serve two masters. He must become adept in the art of a continuous human temporal compromise while he yields spiritual allegiance to but one master; and this is why so many falter and fail, grow weary and succumb to the stress of the evolutionary struggle.
(1199.6) 109:5.5 While the hereditary legacy of cerebral endowment and that of electrochemical overcontrol both operate to delimit the sphere of efficient Adjuster activity, no hereditary handicap (in normal minds) ever prevents eventual spiritual achievement. Heredity may interfere with the rate of personality conquest, but it does not prevent eventual consummation of the ascendant adventure. If you will co-operate with your Adjuster, the divine gift will, sooner or later, evolve the immortal morontia soul and, subsequent to fusion therewith, will present the new creature to the sovereign Master Son of the local universe and eventually to the Father of Adjusters on Paradise.
The relevant question that comes to mind is: How does one co-operate with their Adjuster?
Midi, I would think, leading a holistic life could foster a more cooperative relationship with TA. I think somewhere in the Jesus papers revelators or Christ speak of constant prayer (or something to that effect) as a way to open up direct or nearly direct channels of communication with TA, however. On a side note… in regards what you propose and your inquiry, I have pondered on the similar or parallel approaches of both TA and a hypnotizer on the human mind (is TA ministry the spiritual version of a hypnotherapy? Hmmm…) Both seek to not manipulate but rather control the mind at altered states of awareness, be it, superconscious or subconscious, to recalibrate certain thoughts.108:5.5 The Mystery Monitors are not thought helpers; they are thought adjusters. They labor with the material mind for the purpose of constructing, by adjustment and spiritualization, a new mind for the new worlds and the new name of your future career.
110:4.2 The Thought Adjuster is engaged in a constant effort so to spiritualize your mind as to evolve your morontia soul; but you yourself are mostly unconscious of this inner ministry. You are quite incapable of distinguishing the product of your own material intellect from that of the conjoint activities of your soul and the Adjuster.
As Bonita presented these two UB quotes, in reference to “spiritualized thinking”, I still find it difficult to associate “thinking” or “thought” as not being spiritual in nature, at least until these thoughts may be verbalized through speech, even though many verbalize thought within their conscious interaction. Thought would be considered as spiritual only in that it is not material until either spoken or acted out, so the usage in the UB of “Thought Adjuster” can be somewhat associated but really cannot be validated because of what has been presented in the UB that the adjustment of thought is somewhat unconscious. So, I looked for more defining text in the UB that may illustrate how this adjustment can take place, where which I found the following section which seems to explain this process, although it is specific to some altered associated types of Adjusters, but could also apply, in essence, to a more normal process, by what is not presented.
5. Material Handicaps to Adjuster Indwelling (1199.2) 109:5.1 Supreme and self-acting Adjusters are often able to contribute factors of spiritual import to the human mind when it flows freely in the liberated but controlled channels of creative imagination. At such times, and sometimes during sleep, the Adjuster is able to arrest the mental currents, to stay the flow, and then to divert the idea procession; and all this is done in order to effect deep spiritual transformations in the higher recesses of the superconsciousness. Thus are the forces and energies of mind more fully adjusted to the key of the contactual tones of the spiritual level of the present and the future. (1199.3) 109:5.2 It is sometimes possible to have the mind illuminated, to hear the divine voice that continually speaks within you, so that you may become partially conscious of the wisdom, truth, goodness, and beauty of the potential personality constantly indwelling you. (1199.4) 109:5.3 But your unsteady and rapidly shifting mental attitudes often result in thwarting the plans and interrupting the work of the Adjusters. Their work is not only interfered with by the innate natures of the mortal races, but this ministry is also greatly retarded by your own preconceived opinions, settled ideas, and long-standing prejudices. Because of these handicaps, many times only their unfinished creations emerge into consciousness, and confusion of concept is inevitable. Therefore, in scrutinizing mental situations, safety lies only in the prompt recognition of each and every thought and experience for just what it actually and fundamentally is, disregarding entirely what it might have been. (1199.5) 109:5.4 The great problem of life is the adjustment of the ancestral tendencies of living to the demands of the spiritual urges initiated by the divine presence of the Mystery Monitor. While in the universe and superuniverse careers no man can serve two masters, in the life you now live on Urantia every man must perforce serve two masters. He must become adept in the art of a continuous human temporal compromise while he yields spiritual allegiance to but one master; and this is why so many falter and fail, grow weary and succumb to the stress of the evolutionary struggle. (1199.6) 109:5.5 While the hereditary legacy of cerebral endowment and that of electrochemical overcontrol both operate to delimit the sphere of efficient Adjuster activity, no hereditary handicap (in normal minds) ever prevents eventual spiritual achievement. Heredity may interfere with the rate of personality conquest, but it does not prevent eventual consummation of the ascendant adventure. If you will co-operate with your Adjuster, the divine gift will, sooner or later, evolve the immortal morontia soul and, subsequent to fusion therewith, will present the new creature to the sovereign Master Son of the local universe and eventually to the Father of Adjusters on Paradise.
The relevant question that comes to mind is: How does one co-operate with their Adjuster?
108:5.5 The Mystery Monitors are not thought helpers; they are thought adjusters. They labor with the material mind for the purpose of constructing, by adjustment and spiritualization, a new mind for the new worlds and the new name of your future career.
110:4.2 The Thought Adjuster is engaged in a constant effort so to spiritualize your mind as to evolve your morontia soul; but you yourself are mostly unconscious of this inner ministry. You are quite incapable of distinguishing the product of your own material intellect from that of the conjoint activities of your soul and the Adjuster.
As Bonita presented these two UB quotes, in reference to “spiritualized thinking”, I still find it difficult to associate “thinking” or “thought” as not being spiritual in nature, at least until these thoughts may be verbalized through speech, even though many verbalize thought within their conscious interaction. Thought would be considered as spiritual only in that it is not material until either spoken or acted out, so the usage in the UB of “Thought Adjuster” can be somewhat associated but really cannot be validated because of what has been presented in the UB that the adjustment of thought is somewhat unconscious. So, I looked for more defining text in the UB that may illustrate how this adjustment can take place, where which I found the following section which seems to explain this process, although it is specific to some altered associated types of Adjusters, but could also apply, in essence, to a more normal process, by what is not presented.
5. Material Handicaps to Adjuster Indwelling (1199.2) 109:5.1 Supreme and self-acting Adjusters are often able to contribute factors of spiritual import to the human mind when it flows freely in the liberated but controlled channels of creative imagination. At such times, and sometimes during sleep, the Adjuster is able to arrest the mental currents, to stay the flow, and then to divert the idea procession; and all this is done in order to effect deep spiritual transformations in the higher recesses of the superconsciousness. Thus are the forces and energies of mind more fully adjusted to the key of the contactual tones of the spiritual level of the present and the future. (1199.3) 109:5.2 It is sometimes possible to have the mind illuminated, to hear the divine voice that continually speaks within you, so that you may become partially conscious of the wisdom, truth, goodness, and beauty of the potential personality constantly indwelling you. (1199.4) 109:5.3 But your unsteady and rapidly shifting mental attitudes often result in thwarting the plans and interrupting the work of the Adjusters. Their work is not only interfered with by the innate natures of the mortal races, but this ministry is also greatly retarded by your own preconceived opinions, settled ideas, and long-standing prejudices. Because of these handicaps, many times only their unfinished creations emerge into consciousness, and confusion of concept is inevitable. Therefore, in scrutinizing mental situations, safety lies only in the prompt recognition of each and every thought and experience for just what it actually and fundamentally is, disregarding entirely what it might have been. (1199.5) 109:5.4 The great problem of life is the adjustment of the ancestral tendencies of living to the demands of the spiritual urges initiated by the divine presence of the Mystery Monitor. While in the universe and superuniverse careers no man can serve two masters, in the life you now live on Urantia every man must perforce serve two masters. He must become adept in the art of a continuous human temporal compromise while he yields spiritual allegiance to but one master; and this is why so many falter and fail, grow weary and succumb to the stress of the evolutionary struggle. (1199.6) 109:5.5 While the hereditary legacy of cerebral endowment and that of electrochemical overcontrol both operate to delimit the sphere of efficient Adjuster activity, no hereditary handicap (in normal minds) ever prevents eventual spiritual achievement. Heredity may interfere with the rate of personality conquest, but it does not prevent eventual consummation of the ascendant adventure. If you will co-operate with your Adjuster, the divine gift will, sooner or later, evolve the immortal morontia soul and, subsequent to fusion therewith, will present the new creature to the sovereign Master Son of the local universe and eventually to the Father of Adjusters on Paradise.
The relevant question that comes to mind is: How does one co-operate with their Adjuster?
BB
Midi, I would think, leading a holistic life could foster a more cooperative relationship with TA. I think somewhere in the Jesus papers revelators or Christ speak of constant prayer (or something to that effect) as a way to open up direct or nearly direct channels of communication with TA,
BB, I cannot speak to your reference of “leading a holistic life” because I believe that every individual may experience things differently through thought and mind. Much would depend on the abilities and various training that one may have encountered throughout their life so, for each person it may be different. For me, since I have unusual abilities in memory and have been tested for the highest scoring to date in pattern recognition by various government agencies, these things among other connectivity in mind (more so visual mind linking) with close members of my family, makes it difficult to associate what I have learned about myself with others, because for the most part, other people are less likely to be able to describe what is actually going on in their mind or reluctant to mention. Therefore, I have had to rely on my learning in psychology, mostly self taught and study of others, to be able to separate those things which come so naturally for me. If it wasn’t for my parents keeping me grounded and busy with multitasking in many subjects, it kept me from thinking that my so called IQ level and intellectual abilities, that were in the Mensa area, keeping me pushed down to experience a more normal childhood and life. That being said, I have experienced short intervals of communication which would fall into the area of spiritual connectivity but they were very brief in duration. Had it not been for the information coming true over many years, I might have put those experiences off as having been my own response to extreme prayer. Later on while under much difficulty of stress of mind, I was privileged to experience communication with my super-conscious mind, which was greatly informative and vital at the time, and were it not of a related nature and my understanding from reading thousands of pages of varied text, this super-conscious intervention might have been deemed a delusion or illusion. Being that my mind constantly remained active with several scientific theories, many that resulted in visual diagrams of many principles that now seems to be found in the text of the UB, it made it easier when I found a way to be able to turn off this busy mind thing, where now I can turn off my conscious mind to the extent that I have found an alternate understanding of thought. This I have associated with what the UB indicates as mindal, and is a phenomenal way of processing data in complete thought patterns, sometimes multiple patterns, that seem to overlap input through all the senses at once and it would seem that there is automatic output as well, although the output is not confirm-able until later where this, so called information comes back through other channels and beings, or individuals as casual information but exactly as I had experienced it to begin with.
So, when I posed the question from the statement in the previous post, “How does one co-operate with their Adjuster?” It is not that I cannot conceive of an answer, but only that I have never experience, over a period of time, anything other than a oneness with that which resides in my conscious mind. I cannot really distinguish a separate entity, so to speck. To me it just seems a normal way of thinking or processing data or thought. Therefore, I find it difficult to be able to separate spirituality as being different from the norm, and find that the way the UB uses it in text as adverse to my thinking.
Much of the subject matter presented in the UB is literally not understandable with the way it is presented, and taken for granted that because it is presented in the UB, and how it is presented must be true and literally as written but in that it is presented using words or phrases that are exclusive to the UB only, without a clear definition, that sometimes requires defining in it self, one must rely on their experience with what they have learned through all of the various methods used as input in their lives, be it fiction or fact, in order to assign an assimilation or alternate representation that one actually can put together as a viable example to what is or could be meant. Specifically for some of the subject matter presented in the UB which seems to be over the heads of other readers. When one associates certain things in the UB with things that one has experienced in other ways, it can become clearer to understand, even if it cannot always be expressed in other ways. That’s why the UB puts emphasis on one’s experience that one has attained, making it easier to understand the complex subject matter presented in the text of the UB.
I’d explain it this way… To spiritualize one’s thought is to find spiritual value in it. A firearm I’d say is a good analogy right about now… A firearm could be used for good (defense) or bad (crime). The good would be the spiritual value and the bad would be the purely animalistic value. So it depends on the soul’s perspective. Two souls could think the same thought but the experience from the thought or engaging the thought through action could be different.
Isn’t that moral thinking? Moral thinking and spiritualized thinking aren’t the same thing. However, moral thinking is the soil from which spiritualized thinking grows.
Is using a gun for self-defense a spiritual value?
The Adjuster does not hypnotize, then manipulate the mind. In fact, the Adjuster cannot do that because he has placed himself in complete submission to human will. He will not attempt to spiritualize any thought unless he has been given conscious authority to do so by the human will. Even while we sleep, he only adjusters thoughts which we have given him to adjuster while fully awake and conscious.
110:5.3 During the slumber season the Adjuster attempts to achieve only that which the will of the indwelt personality has previously fully approved by the decisions and choosings which were made during times of fully wakeful consciousness, and which have thereby become lodged in the realms of the supermind, the liaison domain of human and divine interrelationship.
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