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According to Revelation 47:3.1, in the afterlife, mortals resume the lives just where they left off when overtaken by death (see below).
Question: Does that mean you begin your new life on the mansion world, in the literal sense, exactly where it ended in the temporal world? For example, if you died in the hospital, are you placed in an environment or circumstances which led to hospitalization? The same applies to any other event that leads to or leads up to one’s demise. And is this method, reliving past life-events, a way to purge mental faults? Further, if the aforementioned is the case, could it be argued that what we call “reincarnation” actually occurs in the mansion world? Food for thought, and I look forward to yours.
47:3.1 On the mansion worlds the resurrected mortal survivors resume their lives just where they left off when overtaken by death…
BB
I always interpreted that quote to mean that we resume our SPIRITUAL lives just where we left off prior to death. Only spiritual values survive, the stuff in your soul, the survivable character traits you’ve acquired by experience. If you’ve acquired a divinity attuned character, regardless of how great or weak it is, that’s what you’ll wake up with, and that’s what you’ll use to start your new life.
I agree. But would not a spiritual life also include spiritual faults? I do recall a thread where we spoke of character flaws that have survival properties are able to be replicated or counterparted by the Adjuster and projected into the afterlife.I always interpreted that quote to mean that we resume our SPIRITUAL lives just where we left off prior to death. Only spiritual values survive, the stuff in your soul, the survivable character traits you’ve acquired by experience. If you’ve acquired a divinity attuned character, regardless of how great or weak it is, that’s what you’ll wake up with, and that’s what you’ll use to start your new life.
BB
But would not a spiritual life also include spiritual faults?
What’s a spiritual fault?
Evil, error, sin and iniquity.But would not a spiritual life also include spiritual faults?
What’s a spiritual fault?
BB
Well . . . the soul cannot contain sin or iniquity, that’s oxymoronic. The soul has the potential to entertain error and evil (which are the same thing) as part of the decision making process once reunited with the personality. But the soul itself does not contain error and evil. Error and evil are choices made by the personality. Only the personality can choose such a thing, and if it does, it does not become part of the soul. The soul and the personality are NOT the same thing.
Bonita, if the mind already entertains sin in the here-and-now and has not grown from it, do you not think TA is counterparting it?Well . . . the soul cannot contain sin or iniquity, that’s oxymoronic. The soul has the potential to entertain error and evil (which are the same thing) as part of the decision making process once reunited with the personality. But the soul itself does not contain error and evil. Error and evil are choices made by the personality. Only the personality can choose such a thing, and if it does, it does not become part of the soul. The soul and the personality are NOT the same thing.
BB
Bonita, if the mind already entertains sin in the here-and-now and has not grown from it, do you not think TA is counterparting it?
Counterparting what?
Counterparting sin the mind muses itself on, Bonita. Sin doesn’t disappear just because the mortal body ceases.108:6.5 These faithful custodians of the future career unfailingly duplicate every mental creation with a spiritual counterpart; they are thus slowly and surely re-creating you as you really are (only spiritually) for resurrection on the survival worlds. And all of these exquisite spirit re-creations are being preserved in the emerging reality of your evolving and immortal soul, your morontia self. These realities are actually there, notwithstanding that the Adjuster is seldom able to exalt these duplicate creations sufficiently to exhibit them to the light of consciousness.Bonita, if the mind already entertains sin in the here-and-now and has not grown from it, do you not think TA is counterparting it?
Counterparting what?
BB
Why would God make a copy of sin? God strikes no personal attitude toward sin because in his eyes it is not reality. God, the Adjuster, only counterparts reality. Reality is spirit-identified. This is why they say psychic circle progress and Adjuster attunement, which is soul growth, is the process of the personality becoming more REAL.
110:6.7-10 It is difficult precisely to define the seven levels of human progression, for the reason that these levels are personal; they are variable for each individual and are apparently determined by the growth capacity of each human being. The conquest of these levels of cosmic evolution is reflected in three ways:
1. Adjuster attunement. The spiritizing mind nears the Adjuster presence proportional to circle attainment.
2. Soul evolution. The emergence of the morontia soul indicates the extent and depth of circle mastery.
3. Personality reality. The degree of selfhood reality is directly determined by circle conquest. Persons become more real as they ascend from the seventh to the first level of mortal existence.
I believe we have had this debate before, so there is no sense rehashing it. But I will leave you with this…. God is making a copy of your mind and all contents that can survive death, Bonita. A sin-laden mind, one who willfully chose evil during life in the flesh, can survive death as mind is still linked to the finite reality, even on the mansion world.54:0.2 … Sin is potential in all realms where imperfect beings are endowed with the ability to choose
between good and evil.In order to have the potential to bring sin to fruition, it must have already been entertained in the mind.Why would God make a copy of sin? God strikes no personal attitude toward sin because in his eyes it is not reality. God, the Adjuster, only counterparts reality. Reality is spirit-identified. This is why they say psychic circle progress and Adjuster attunement, which is soul growth, is the process of the personality becoming more REAL.
110:6.7-10 It is difficult precisely to define the seven levels of human progression, for the reason that these levels are personal; they are variable for each individual and are apparently determined by the growth capacity of each human being. The conquest of these levels of cosmic evolution is reflected in three ways: 1. Adjuster attunement. The spiritizing mind nears the Adjuster presence proportional to circle attainment. 2. Soul evolution. The emergence of the morontia soul indicates the extent and depth of circle mastery. 3. Personality reality. The degree of selfhood reality is directly determined by circle conquest. Persons become more real as they ascend from the seventh to the first level of mortal existence.
BB
Well the truth is, I never get tired of telling the truth, and the truth is that the Adjuster does NOT make copies of sinful thoughts and keep them for eternity. In fact, the Adjuster works tirelessly to change all erroneous thinking. The only thing the Adjuster is interested in counterparting is VALUE. Sin has no VALUE. All the thoughts in your mind, BB, that have no spiritual meaning or morontia value will PERISH. The Adjuster only counterparts the worthwhile elements of the mind that he himself had a part in evolving. Don’t forget, the soul is co-created with the Adjuster and the Adjuster does NOT co-create sin. Only the soul survives; the mind does not survive. Sin is not survivable, ” . . . for sin is not a spiritual reality”(2:6.8)
112:5.22 The Thought Adjuster will recall and rehearse for you only those memories and experiences which are a part of, and essential to, your universe career. If the Adjuster has been a partner in the evolution of aught in the human mind, then will these worth-while experiences survive in the eternal consciousness of the Adjuster. But much of your past life and its memories, having neither spiritual meaning nor morontia value, will perish with the material brain; much of material experience will pass away as onetime scaffolding which, having bridged you over to the morontia level, no longer serves a purpose in the universe.
I wonder how this got carried over into the mansion world –47:9.1 The experience on this sphere is the crowning achievement of the immediate postmortal career. During your sojourn here you will receive the instruction of many teachers, all of whom will co-operate in the task of preparing you for residence on Jerusem. Any discernible differences between those mortals hailing from the isolated and retarded worlds and those survivors from the more advanced and enlightened spheres are virtually obliterated during the sojourn on the seventh mansion world. Here you will be purged of all the remnants of unfortunate heredity, unwholesome environment, and unspiritual planetary tendencies. The last remnants of the “mark of the beast” are here eradicated.Well the truth is, I never get tired of telling the truth, and the truth is that the Adjuster does NOT make copies of sinful thoughts and keep them for eternity. In fact, the Adjuster works tirelessly to change all erroneous thinking. The only thing the Adjuster is interested in counterparting is VALUE. Sin has no VALUE. All the thoughts in your mind, BB, that have no spiritual meaning or morontia value will PERISH. The Adjuster only counterparts the worthwhile elements of the mind that he himself had a part in evolving. Don’t forget, the soul is co-created with the Adjuster and the Adjuster does NOT co-create sin. Only the soul survives; the mind does not survive. Sin is not survivable, ” . . . for sin is not a spiritual reality”(2:6.8)
112:5.22 The Thought Adjuster will recall and rehearse for you only those memories and experiences which are a part of, and essential to, your universe career. If the Adjuster has been a partner in the evolution of aught in the human mind, then will these worth-while experiences survive in the eternal consciousness of the Adjuster. But much of your past life and its memories, having neither spiritual meaning nor morontia value, will perish with the material brain; much of material experience will pass away as onetime scaffolding which, having bridged you over to the morontia level, no longer serves a purpose in the universe.
BB
Here you will be purged of all the remnants of unfortunate heredity, unwholesome environment, and unspiritual planetary tendencies. The last remnants of the “mark of the beast” are here eradicated. (47:9.1)
The “mark of the beast” has to do with the effects derived from the physical and material constituents of selfhood. We are dual natured beings. The beast is the animal nature in all of us and the mark is a metaphor for the effects the physical and material level has on our character while living on our world of nativity. It has to do with character development.
What are the remnants of an unfortunate heredity? First of all our baseline characters are inherited.The goal is to co-create a perfected and noble character in line with God’s character. If a person has an unfortunate set of genes on earth which provides him with a base character, he has much further to go in order to co-create a perfected and noble character. This deficit is part of the “mark of the beast” and is corrected on the mansion worlds. .
What is a remnant of an unwholesome environment? We are told many times that strength of character requires that humans grow up in a challenging environment. Some folks may not have been challenged enough while others have been over challenged in this regard. The mansion worlds are where these imbalances are corrected. Again, this has to do with the effects derived from the physical and material level of one’s previous existence.
What are the remnants of unspiritual planetary tendencies? This should be easy to understand. We’ve all been denied the consistent and persistent presence of teachers and role models who would provide a clearer approach to spiritual growth. These deficiencies are from the physical and material level of previous existence and are compensated for and corrected on the mansion worlds.
In the following quote it is explained that DNA is the baseline for all character and that environment has a profound effect on further development of one’s character. Deficits in heredity and/or environment need to be addressed on the mansion worlds.
76:2.6 The observation of Abel’s conduct establishes the value of environment and education as factors in character development. Abel had an ideal inheritance, and heredity lies at the bottom of all character; but the influence of an inferior environment virtually neutralized this magnificent inheritance. Abel, especially during his younger years, was greatly influenced by his unfavorable surroundings. He would have become an entirely different person had he lived to be twenty-five or thirty; his superb inheritance would then have shown itself. While a good environment cannot contribute much toward really overcoming the character handicaps of a base heredity, a bad environment can very effectively spoil an excellent inheritance, at least during the younger years of life. Good social environment and proper education are indispensable soil and atmosphere for getting the most out of a good inheritance.
We are further told of the character traits Jesus inherited from each of his parents through DNA.
122:5.3 Jesus derived much of his unusual gentleness and marvelous sympathetic understanding of human nature from his father; he inherited his gift as a great teacher and his tremendous capacity for righteous indignation from his mother.
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