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Thanks Enno. I’m glad you understand what I wrote. Here’s another quote I’ve shared before but also applies:
140:4.8 An effective philosophy of living is formed by a combination of cosmic insight and the total of one’s emotional reactions to the social and economic environment. Remember: While inherited urges cannot be fundamentally modified, emotional responses to such urges can be changed; therefore the moral nature can be modified, character can be improved. In the strong character emotional responses are integrated and co-ordinated, and thus is produced a unifiedpersonality. Deficient unification weakens the moral nature and engenders unhappiness.
We begin the co-creation of a moral character here on our world of nativity, but it continues in the next life right where we leave off here. Character development involves gaining mastery over our urges and emotions (self-mastery). We will continue to have urges and emotions on the mansion worlds and our response to them will be perfected over time. There are so many teachers there who help us see ourselves as others see us.
48:6.25 It is the task of the mind planners to study the nature, experience, and status of the Adjuster souls in transit through the mansion worlds and to facilitate their grouping for assignment and advancement. But these mind planners do not scheme, manipulate, or otherwise take advantage of the ignorance or other limitations of mansion world students. They are wholly fair and eminently just. They respect your newborn morontia will; they regard you as independent volitional beings, and they seek to encourage your speedy development and advancement. Here you are face to face with true friends and understanding counselors, angels who are really able to help you “to see yourself as others see you” and “to know yourself as angels know you.”
I dont think so, Bonita. Here it is again, in part…
Here you will be purged of all the remnants of unfortunate heredity, unwholesome environment, and unspiritual planetary tendencies. The last remnants of the “mark of the beast” are here eradicated.
***UNSPIRITUAL PLANETARY TENDENCIES***
Lucifer rebellion contributed to this especially.
BB
Sorry you’re having trouble understanding this BB. Unspiritual planetary tendencies are from the planet of nativity. The planet is physical and material. The effects of having lived on a planet tainted by unspiritual tendencies, regardless of the source, will leave an imprint or impression on the character, and that is carried over to the next life. The word mark has to do with the effects of those imperfect influences and the impact they had on character development. Eliminating, or more accurately, outgrowing the imprint from those planetary tendencies with which one grew up in the first life is the work of the many mansion world lives. It’s not really that difficult a concept.
“On the mansion worlds the resurrected mortal survivors resume their lives just where they left off when overtaken by death.”
Enno…I’ve asked this favor of you before….you did not post the entire quote and you did not indicate your snipiting…bad form. There are multiple ways to indicate an abbreviated quote.
Please note below that certainly not everything is the same as where we left off….no old bodies with disease or infirmaries or injuries, no warfare or violence or horrific weather/geology, no ugliness or aggression, no poverty and hunger, and no baldness!! It is our education/knowledge, wisdom, spirit progress that is the same….we leave much behind and gain nothing in slumber to arrive with much to learn….and some tendencies to unlearn. We arrive deficient and must learn to embrace this new world and experience with wonderful guides and teachers and mentors. Like here, some will learn faster than others. But we will all enjoy much better examples and much wiser education…individualized to our particular and personal needs.
So the quote below does NOT mean if you die in a car wreck or an alzhiemers ward or house fire, you will not wake up in a wrecked car or hospital or burning building. Everything will be different….and better except our spiritual development and intellectual levels of knowledge and reasoning will be the same as upon our mortal death. Naturally, some of us insist on humanizing heaven as we make gods in our own image. There’s much to read and learn about this awesome adventure to come filled with the grandeur and majesty and wonder of the heavenly hosts. (pun intended!)
47:3.1 (532.7) On the mansion worlds the resurrected mortal survivors resume their lives just where they left off when overtaken by death. When you go from Urantia to the first mansion world, you will notice considerable change, but if you had come from a more normal and progressive sphere of time, you would hardly notice the difference except for the fact that you were in possession of a different body; the tabernacle of flesh and blood has been left behind on the world of nativity.
47:3.7 (533.5) On mansion world number one (or another in case of advanced status) you will resume your intellectual training and spiritual development at the exact level whereon they were interrupted by death. Between the time of planetary death or translation and resurrection on the mansion world, mortal man gains absolutely nothing aside from experiencing the fact of survival. You begin over there right where you leave off down here.
47:3.8 (533.6) Almost the entire experience of mansion world number one pertains to deficiency ministry. Survivors arriving on this first of the detention spheres present so many and such varied defects of creature character and deficiencies of mortal experience that the major activities of the realm are occupied with the correction and cure of these manifold legacies of the life in the flesh on the material evolutionary worlds of time and space.
47:3.9 (534.1) The sojourn on mansion world number one is designed to develop mortal survivors at least up to the status of the post-Adamic dispensation on the normal evolutionary worlds. Spiritually, of course, the mansion world students are far in advance of such a state of mere human development.
and no baldness!!Lol Bradly, I expect to pick it up (if I survive) as “bald” and nakedly exposed as I have always been!–I’ll take your rebuke in good humor Bradly. I was just trying to support what Bonita said in reply to BB. I took it for granted it was understood that the rest of the quote was implied, but I’ll thank you for posting it all to see. It’s important, the context.–
So the quote below does NOT mean if you die in a car wreck or an alzhiemers ward or house fire, you will not wake up in a wrecked car or hospital or burning building. Everything will be different….and better except our spiritual development and intellectual levels of knowledge and reasoning will be the same as upon our mortal death. Naturally, some of us insist on humanizing heaven as we make gods in our own image. There’s much to read and learn about this awesome adventure to come filled with the grandeur and majesty and wonder of the heavenly hosts. (pun intended!)
47:3.1 (532.7) On the mansion worlds the resurrected mortal survivors resume their lives just where they left off when overtaken by death. When you go from Urantia to the first mansion world, you will notice considerable change, but if you had come from a more normal and progressive sphere of time, you would hardly notice the difference except for the fact that you were in possession of a different body; the tabernacle of flesh and blood has been left behind on the world of nativity.
Bradly, I can agree with what you are saying above, and without having experienced such an event, it would be difficult for many to understand what is implied by the UB quote in question. However, based on this quote, the augmentation of time as it applies to an individual may vary, with each individual. I have mentioned this before, and it would also qualify that the mansion worlds are, in essence, a virtual type of reality that is projected in mind. Therefore, each individual may experience something different but it would still be different and “you will notice considerable change,” because as it is noted in the UB, when received on the mansion world, there are many so called rooms, that are created for each individual, in order to transition into this different reality, and it may take some time to get augmented to those changes. As you say when one dies and is transformed to the mansion world, one would not be in the actual state from that time or circumstance from your death but, depending on ones age and or the circumstance surrounding this event, one might find them-self in a similar position like having survived an accident with less injury then what caused ones demise or at a different time, where in the case of suffering from Alzheimer’s in either a recovered mode or in a prior time where which Alzheimer had been cured or in a time prior to the onset of the disease. Of course this is all speculative and would be difficult to prognosticate what an individual would experience, but it would be relative to what one left behind. Time is a very misunderstood agent, in that every person may experience time in their own type of reality where interaction with others in their own type of reality may seem cooperative.
Therefore, until one has experience this action, it would be difficult to determine the actual event that would occur but, as you say there would be change, which would be on a more positive plane, however related to something or sometime from where one left off.
So the quote below does NOT mean if you die in a car wreck or an alzhiemers ward or house fire, you will not wake up in a wrecked car or hospital or burning building.
Yeah, you wake up in the resurrection hall which is supposed to be a wonderful experience. One of the things I’ve wondered about is that here is supposed to be a separate wing for each race. If white people are racially mixed, what wing do you think they will wake up in? I guess they take the most predominant racial component of a person, but I don’t know. Also, they say there are seven wings, one for each of the seven races, but there have been nine races on Urantia. Oops.
76:4.1 Adam and Eve were the founders of the violet race of men, the ninth human race to appear on Urantia.
If white people are racially mixed, what wing do you think they will wake up in?Oh that’s an easy one Bonita. It’ll be the West wing. Underneath the Oval Office.Interesting because I actually am sorry you are having trouble understanding this, Bonita. BTW you just said the same thing I said. These are character flaws that have survivable traits that can carry over into the afterlife.Sorry you’re having trouble understanding this BB. Unspiritual planetary tendencies are from the planet of nativity. The planet is physical and material. The effects of having lived on a planet tainted by unspiritual tendencies, regardless of the source, will leave an imprint or impression on the character, and that is carried over to the next life. The word mark has to do with the effects of those imperfect influences and the impact they had on character development. Eliminating, or more accurately, outgrowing the imprint from those planetary tendencies with which one grew up in the first life is the work of the many mansion world lives. It’s not really that difficult a concept.
BB
47:3.8 (533.6) Almost the entire experience of mansion world number one pertains to deficiency ministry. Survivors arriving on this first of the detention spheres present so many and such varied defects of creature character and deficiencies of mortal experience that the major activities of the realm are occupied with the correction and cure of these manifold legacies of the life in the flesh on the material evolutionary worlds of time and space.
How in the world did these manifold legacies of the life in the flesh, eg., sinful nature, make its way to the mansion. Interesting.
BB
Brooklyn_born wrote:These are character flaws that have survivable traits that can carry over into the afterlife.The character defects which are carried over into the next life do not include sin, as you have claimed BB. I quote you below where you state that a sin-laden mind can survive death because it is counterparted by the Adjuster:Brooklyn_born wrote:A sin-laden mind, one who willfully chose evil during life in the flesh, can survive death as mind is still linked to the finite reality, even on the mansion world.Brooklyn_born wrote:Bonita, if the mind already entertains sin in the here-and-now and has not grown from it, do you not think TA is counterparting it?What is a character defect or character weakness? TUB gives us many examples of character defects when describing the characters of the twelve apostles. For instance, Andrew lacked enthusiasm; Peter was impulsive; James Zebedee had a fiery temper; John Zebedee was conceited; Philip lacked imagination; Nathaniel was proud; Matthew Levi was shortsighted and materialistic; Thomas was quarrelsome, pessimistic and suspicious; the Alpheus twins were mediocre; Simon was material-minded and rebellious; Judas had too many defects to mention.If these character imperfections are not corrected or improved during life on earth, they are carried over into the next life. Most of the apostles improved their characters by association with Jesus. The character can be changed. It’s the personality which never changes. All the work of the psychic circles and soul growth is about improving one’s character. It’s called divinity attainment, and we accomplish this by cooperating with our Adjusters.101:2.14 Your deepest nature – the divine Adjuster – creates within you a hunger and thirst for righteousness, a certain craving for divine perfection. Religion is the faith act of the recognition of this inner urge to divine attainment; and thus is brought about that soul trust and assurance of which you become conscious as the way of salvation, the technique of the survival of personality and all those values which you have come to look upon as being true and good.
It is this growth toward a divine character that the Adjuster counterparts and brings to the soul of his co-creation in the resurrection halls of the next life. Divinity attainment of character, by definition, cannot contain actual sin. Actual sin causes a slow death of the soul. The Adjuster has no interest in killing the soul.
133:6.5 Moral choice and spiritual attainment, the ability to know God and the urge to be like him, are the characteristics of the soul. The soul of man cannot exist apart from moral thinking and spiritual activity. A stagnant soul is a dying soul.
The soul is a relationship between two persons, one a personality with a human character, the other a pre-personality with a divine character. The character of the soul reflects the cooperation between the two natures. The Adjuster does not cooperate in sin, it is not his nature or character to do so; therefore, there can be no sin in the soul. That being said, the character of the soul is NOT PERFECT. It is in the process of BECOMING PERFECTED. Therefore, character weaknesses which are still in the process of BECOMING PERFECTED will continue in the soul as part of the relationship.
It’s important to think of the soul as a relationship. The reason why the soul does not experience anything while it sleeps in the care of the guardian angels is because it is lacking the other half of the relationship. Once the Adjuster reunites with the soul, the relationship resumes exactly where it left off. The two characters in the relationship, the perfect nature of the Adjuster and perfecting nature of the mortal, continue to evolve towards perfection provided the personality chooses to cooperate.
Lots more to be said on the character of the soul, that’s for sure . . . .
47:3.8 (533.6) Almost the entire experience of mansion world number one pertains to deficiency ministry. Survivors arriving on this first of the detention spheres present so many and such varied defects of creature character and deficiencies of mortal experience that the major activities of the realm are occupied with the correction and cure of these manifold legacies of the life in the flesh on the material evolutionary worlds of time and space.
When we get to M1 or M2, of course we have deficiencies! We have potential, but we have baggage, inherited or otherwise. We have character flaws and animal vestigial traits to get over. We will have to remediate mortal habits of thinking and correct ourselves in order to advance. For example, the habit of being critical of others. (I am not pointing a finger at anyone on this forum! Just picking out a habit of thinking many people I know demonstrate every day.)
102:7.6 [. . .] It requires no great depth of intellect to pick flaws, ask questions, or raise objections. But it does require brilliance of mind to answer these questions and solve these difficulties; faith certainty is the greatest technique for dealing with all such superficial contentions.
What are superficial contentions? Arguing about who is right and who is wrong? Or complaining about your co-workers or your spiritual brother by criticizing the way he/she expresses him/herself? Or criticizing your superior, your boss, the government, the system, or an utter stranger? The way a stranger looks? Making assumptions about people? Mercilessly judging people you don’t even know? Judging and making assumptions about people you DO know? Our Adjuster forebears throughout all of our missteps and unproductive habits, because the Adjuster is a divine parent – God, a faithful partner to our better and *future spiritual self*. . .
(1193.5) 108:6.6 And as you are the human parent, so is the Adjuster the divine parent of the real you, your higher and advancing self, your better morontial and future spiritual self. And it is this evolving morontial soul that the judges and censors discern when they decree your survival and pass you upward to new worlds and never-ending existence in eternal liaison with your faithful partner — God, the Adjuster.
All we have to do is co-operate with what God has in store for us.
I have mentioned this before, and it would also qualify that the mansion worlds are, in essence, a virtual type of reality that is projected in mind. Therefore, each individual may experience something different but it would still be different and “you will notice considerable change,” because as it is noted in the UB, when received on the mansion world, there are many so called rooms, that are created for each individual, in order to transition into this different reality, and it may take some time to get augmented to those changes.
Midi – I’m sure I don’t understand this you write about the Mansion worlds, in essence, being a virtual type of reality projected in mind. That sounds like a rather esoteric and mystical description. We are assured the mansion worlds are very real and very material as all architectural worlds are – even in Havona. The universes of time and space are not the matrix of scifi or any form of mental projection or not so according to the UB. Perhaps I don’t understand your definition of “virtual”…but if you mean non-dimensional or lacking in physicality, I would disagree. Perhaps you might post some supporting text to help me understand your point here?
To Bonita’s question about the 7 wings for 7 races – there’ll be none for the Adam and Eve violet ‘race’ as there is none except there own children. I’d think the 7 wings are for the original race (Andonic on Urantia) and the Sangiks? The human race is an amalgamation of Andonic, Sangiks, and violet aren’t we? When stating the violet was the 9th race on Urantia….would that make the rebel staff members the 8th I wonder? A curious thing about the 7 wings for worlds destined for racial amalgamation. I presume any color difference, skin color especially, would not really determine one’s ‘race’ in regards to this? Perplexing.
Naturally, us white people will be in the very special, exclusive, gated, and reserved (segregated) wing don’t you think? Hahahaha…NOT!
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