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Hope to hear from others….but my presumption is “reflectivity” which would not be a “contradiction” at all: [. . ] How to ‘appear’ to be in more than one place at the same time!! Note the TA’s capabilities in this regard…was John actually at the scene he witnessed regarding his revelation? Nope. Ever heard of or studied this most practical functionalities in time and space?
Actually Bradly, that would be a very good explanation, and if this “reflectivity” where only present in Jesus’ mind, I could accept it verbatim, however when one looks at this “phenomenon of reflectivity”, and examines the explanation, as is assumed in the UB, I could concur. Being that these figures were also seem by other mortals, it would be interesting to know how these characters or figures appeared to be seen, and then one might assume that they left by the same means as they appeared. Also, it would seem that the “phenomenon of reflectivity” is likened to a “virtual” projection, and should this be the case, a simultaneous projection to the minds in close proximity to this “phenomenon” but, Bradly, according to you, virtual projection does not exist, am I correct? But now you say it does exist? So, do these so called “phenomenon” only apply when it is to your benefit when attempting to discredit others of their understanding? Either way, your explanation could be a viable answer to this implied contradiction, but until it is proven it would still be a “phenomenon”, unexplained. Also, being that the entry in the UB, of this event experienced by Jesus and others, might pose this very question as to how it was possible to actually be done? Therefore, it might have been advantageous, in order to not be confusing, that the authors indicated that this union of beings was possible by the method of “reflectivity”, therefore, still a contradiction, although in words only, but in order to explain this one would need to actually assume that this is something not said in the UB, so if it is not literally presented in print, it is not so. Correct? It did not say, literally that this appearance was the product of “reflectivity” so, your argument must also, literally be false. No?
WRONG AGAIN Caligstia/Midi -Van and all the corporeal staff had loyally administered the affairs and their duties related to their mission following the will and direction of Caligastia, the Planetary Prince, for some 300,000 years.
Okay, if those who are assumed to side with the rebellion, did not take some kind of oath of allegiance, then there would be no reason to hold them also responsible for their free-will choices. Then regardless of their choosing, they could not be held responsible for their free-will choice, but they were, WHY? If nothing was really done for seven years, or until everyone made a choice, it was because of their free-will choice, given by the the Universal Father, so who was it that made the accusation that they be adjudicated as rebels, if they only had one of two choices. Could anyone have abstained from making a choice? It would seem not. So, they were forced to choose between one way or the other. As it turned out the majority chose for ????, and they were convicted, prior to any evidence being presented. They were guilty by proxy of choosing.
Also, for any of the authors of the UB to indicate anything other than what has been presented, would also put them in contempt of court, so to speak. So, being all third party information, and no real quotations, by the accused, much of the information must be assumed as skewed in favor of the accusers or prosecution, that’s why the representative of the virtual defence, objects. But I know that this objection will be overruled, by the advocates of Van.
Also, being that you bring up that for three hundred thousand years of being loyal to the so called plan, it would also be logical that the results of these years might have brought on the objection to what the plan was doing to those affected by this plan. So, one would need to look at what was being done throughout this time that might have caused some sort of problem?
So, one would need to look at what was being done throughout this time that might have caused some sort of problem?
I’m looking at what you’re doing this time, to cause some sort of problem.
I guess it’s just another part of your so-called plan.
Really??!! You wish to carry on this exposure of your character, lies, falsehoods, deceit, and representation of the Manifesto and your namesake Caligastia? A rather stupid choice. But it is yours to make! Just to let you know, I will dog your trail of deceit so long as I am able and continue to show how small is your Big Brain and how large its arrogance of self puffery. You’re batting about 0 for 100 here lately, every post an example of either your ignorance or your agenda. I tire of you and those like you who lie about the Papers and do so in ways that belittle others and prevent the kinder and gentler voices to raise objection or expose your madness. And mad you are as you defend the treachery of traitors and besmirch God and His universe and all those beloved creatures who remain faithful in their trust and faith.
As Bonita said earlier: “I had no idea . . . it’s a shame such mental derangement exists in this world, but it does. Why it’s allowed on forums I’ll never understand. They tell us that pity is only a partial manifestation of mercy. To be honest, I can’t get past pity on this one. How is it that there are enough mercy credits to cover this amount of evil? Our God must be a truly wonderful God to have mercy on a person capable of such distorted thinking. Of course, God loves the person and not the person’s perverted sins. I might be able to do that . . . not sure. In this case it really is sin because has consciously chosen to act out his evil thoughts and share them with the world. He laughs his behavior off calling it an experiment on the human mind. Like Josef Mengele? Personally, it makes me ill. Sin will do that.”
Me here: Like your self chosen, free will motives, intentions, priorities, and words illustrate, you have chosen darkness and despair for yourself, embracing evil to now expose sin, even outright rebellion yourself, turning away from reality and toward irrelevancy. Perhaps you might yet acknowledge your selfhood as it is and turn toward the light of truth, beauty, and goodness? Your belief in your superiority mocks yourself and yet you are relentless to defend iniquity. Turn away from the darkness Midi/Caligastia while you may.
53:9.8 (611.7) But for ages the seven prison worlds of spiritual darkness in Satania have constituted a solemn warning to all Nebadon, eloquently and effectively proclaiming the great truth “that the way of the transgressor is hard”; “that within every sin is concealed the seed of its own destruction”; that “the wages of sin is death.”
Hope to hear from others….but my presumption is “reflectivity” which would not be a “contradiction” at all: [. . ] How to ‘appear’ to be in more than one place at the same time!! Note the TA’s capabilities in this regard…was John actually at the scene he witnessed regarding his revelation? Nope. Ever heard of or studied this most practical functionalities in time and space?
Actually Bradly, that would be a very good explanation, and if this “reflectivity” where only present in Jesus’ mind, I could accept it verbatim, however when one looks at this “phenomenon of reflectivity”, and examines the explanation, as is assumed in the UB, I could concur. Being that these figures were also seem by other mortals, it would be interesting to know how these characters or figures appeared to be seen, and then one might assume that they left by the same means as they appeared. Also, it would seem that the “phenomenon of reflectivity” is likened to a “virtual” projection, and should this be the case, a simultaneous projection to the minds in close proximity to this “phenomenon” but, Bradly, according to you, virtual projection does not exist, am I correct? But now you say it does exist? So, do these so called “phenomenon” only apply when it is to your benefit when attempting to discredit others of their understanding? Either way, your explanation could be a viable answer to this implied contradiction, but until it is proven it would still be a “phenomenon”, unexplained. Also, being that the entry in the UB, of this event experienced by Jesus and others, might pose this very question as to how it was possible to actually be done? Therefore, it might have been advantageous, in order to not be confusing, that the authors indicated that this union of beings was possible by the method of “reflectivity”, therefore, still a contradiction, although in words only, but in order to explain this one would need to actually assume that this is something not said in the UB, so if it is not literally presented in print, it is not so. Correct? It did not say, literally that this appearance was the product of “reflectivity” so, your argument must also, literally be false. No?
NO!! I have never said there is no reflectivity or even ‘virtual’ projections. YOU claimed the Morontia Worlds and experience were virtual, another lie and falsehood, as verified by several students here by the posting of appropriate text confirming the very real and physical realities of the Mansion Worlds and all other architectural spheres. Then you tried to claim such worlds to be spaceships of transport. It seems you have an endless stream of inventions and falsehoods for every turn of your deceptions! Again…no contradiction – real, implied, or virtual. But don’t give up there Caligastia. And you don’t.
WRONG AGAIN Caligstia/Midi -Van and all the corporeal staff had loyally administered the affairs and their duties related to their mission following the will and direction of Caligastia, the Planetary Prince, for some 300,000 years.
Okay, if those who are assumed to side with the rebellion, did not take some kind of oath of allegiance, then there would be no reason to hold them also responsible for their free-will choices. Then regardless of their choosing, they could not be held responsible for their free-will choice, but they were, WHY? If nothing was really done for seven years, or until everyone made a choice, it was because of their free-will choice, given by the the Universal Father, so who was it that made the accusation that they be adjudicated as rebels, if they only had one of two choices. Could anyone have abstained from making a choice? It would seem not. So, they were forced to choose between one way or the other. As it turned out the majority chose for ????, and they were convicted, prior to any evidence being presented. They were guilty by proxy of choosing. Also, for any of the authors of the UB to indicate anything other than what has been presented, would also put them in contempt of court, so to speak. So, being all third party information, and no real quotations, by the accused, much of the information must be assumed as skewed in favor of the accusers or prosecution, that’s why the representative of the virtual defence, objects. But I know that this objection will be overruled, by the advocates of Van. Also, being that you bring up that for three hundred thousand years of being loyal to the so called plan, it would also be logical that the results of these years might have brought on the objection to what the plan was doing to those affected by this plan. So, one would need to look at what was being done throughout this time that might have caused some sort of problem?
Actually, many or nearly all of the celestials and corporeal staff did indeed repent and entered voluntary rehabilitation as it is understood they were deceived and loyalties confused and with poor judgement based on immaturity and lack of wisdom and experience were DECEIVED by their System Sovereign, his lieutenant Satan, and a few Planetary rulers/Princes. Only the most wicked and twisted have refused to acknowledge their iniquities, disloyalties, betrayals, deceptions, and horrific claims…kind of like you Midi/Cali!
53:9.1 (610.6) Early in the days of the Lucifer rebellion, salvation was offered all rebels by Michael. To all who would show proof of sincere repentance, he offered, upon his attainment of complete universe sovereignty, forgiveness and reinstatement in some form of universe service. None of the leaders accepted this merciful proffer. But thousands of the angels and the lower orders of celestial beings, including hundreds of the Material Sons and Daughters, accepted the mercy proclaimed by the Panoptians and were given rehabilitation at the time of Jesus’ resurrection nineteen hundred years ago. These beings have since been transferred to the Father’s world of Jerusem, where they must be held, technically, until the Uversa courts hand down a decision in the matter of Gabriel vs. Lucifer. But no one doubts that, when the annihilation verdict is issued, these repentant and salvaged personalities will be exempted from the decree of extinction. These probationary souls now labor with the Panoptians in the work of caring for the Father’s world.
There has been no conviction and there is no need for trial really….just fair hearing and the evidence provided by…..drum roll…..reflectivity! Do you not know Midi/Cali that no one may hide anything from God? No thought, no motive, no intention, no lust, no lie, nothing may be or can be hidden. “Third party information”?? Hearsay? Rumor? Gossip? False witness? Skewed? Really??!! You think any of that exists in heaven? You poor soul you. There you have it….either total ignorance or complete arrogance…still and again, or is it both ignorance + arrogance? Big brain indeed!
Do you think those who repented and accepted the grace of Divine mercy and love and the embrace of reality perhaps faked it? Hahahahahahha….what a sense of humor you have. We well know the cause of “the problem” Caligastia! It’s written in plain English. Don’t know why you don’t understand it….well, sorry, that’s a fib….you do not wish to understand or accept that what the authors of the Papers write is truth. You accuse them of lying and conspiracy and cover-up and their skillful manipulation of God. Sorry, can’t help it….hahahahahahahhaha.
2. The Causes of Rebellion
53:2.1 (602.4) Lucifer and his first assistant, Satan, had reigned on Jerusem for more than five hundred thousand years when in their hearts they began to array themselves against the Universal Father and his then vicegerent Son, Michael.
53:2.2 (602.5) There were no peculiar or special conditions in the system of Satania which suggested or favored rebellion. It is our belief that the idea took origin and form in Lucifer’s mind, and that he might have instigated such a rebellion no matter where he might have been stationed. Lucifer first announced his plans to Satan, but it required several months to corrupt the mind of his able and brilliant associate. However, when once converted to the rebel theories, he became a bold and earnest advocate of “self-assertion and liberty.”
53:2.3 (602.6) No one ever suggested rebellion to Lucifer. The idea of self-assertion in opposition to the will of Michael and to the plans of the Universal Father, as they are represented in Michael, had its origin in his own mind. His relations with the Creator Son had been intimate and always cordial. At no time prior to the exaltation of his own mind did Lucifer openly express dissatisfaction about the universe administration. Notwithstanding his silence, for more than one hundred years of standard time the Union of Days on Salvington had been reflectivating to Uversa that all was not at peace in Lucifer’s mind. This information was also communicated to the Creator Son and the Constellation Fathers of Norlatiadek.
53:2.4 (602.7) Throughout this period Lucifer became increasingly critical of the entire plan of universe administration but always professed wholehearted loyalty to the Supreme Rulers. His first outspoken disloyalty was manifested on the occasion of a visit of Gabriel to Jerusem just a few days before the open proclamation of the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. Gabriel was so profoundly impressed with the certainty of the impending outbreak that he went direct to Edentia to confer with the Constellation Fathers regarding the measures to be employed in case of open rebellion.
53:2.5 (603.1) It is very difficult to point out the exact cause or causes which finally culminated in the Lucifer rebellion. We are certain of only one thing, and that is: Whatever these first beginnings were, they had their origin in Lucifer’s mind. There must have been a pride of self that nourished itself to the point of self-deception, so that Lucifer for a time really persuaded himself that his contemplation of rebellion was actually for the good of the system, if not of the universe. By the time his plans had developed to the point of disillusionment, no doubt he had gone too far for his original and mischief-making pride to permit him to stop. At some point in this experience he became insincere, and evil evolved into deliberate and willful sin. That this happened is proved by the subsequent conduct of this brilliant executive. He was long offered opportunity for repentance, but only some of his subordinates ever accepted the proffered mercy. The Faithful of Days of Edentia, on the request of the Constellation Fathers, in person presented the plan of Michael for the saving of these flagrant rebels, but always was the mercy of the Creator Son rejected and rejected with increasing contempt and disdain.
3. The Lucifer Manifesto
53:3.1 (603.2) Whatever the early origins of trouble in the hearts of Lucifer and Satan, the final outbreak took form as the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The cause of the rebels was stated under three heads:
53:3.2 (603.3) 1. The reality of the Universal Father. Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father’s name. He denied that personality was a gift of the Universal Father. He even intimated that the finaliters were in collusion with the Paradise Sons to foist fraud upon all creation since they never brought back a very clear-cut idea of the Father’s actual personality as it is discernible on Paradise. He traded on reverence as ignorance. The charge was sweeping, terrible, and blasphemous. It was this veiled attack upon the finaliters that no doubt influenced the ascendant citizens then on Jerusem to stand firm and remain steadfast in resistance to all the rebel’s proposals.
53:3.3 (603.4) 2. The universe government of the Creator Son — Michael. Lucifer contended that the local systems should be autonomous. He protested against the right of Michael, the Creator Son, to assume sovereignty of Nebadon in the name of a hypothetical Paradise Father and require all personalities to acknowledge allegiance to this unseen Father. He asserted that the whole plan of worship was a clever scheme to aggrandize the Paradise Sons. He was willing to acknowledge Michael as his Creator-father but not as his God and rightful ruler.
53:3.4 (603.5) Most bitterly did he attack the right of the Ancients of Days — “foreign potentates” — to interfere in the affairs of the local systems and universes. These rulers he denounced as tyrants and usurpers. He exhorted his followers to believe that none of these rulers could do aught to interfere with the operation of complete home rule if men and angels only had the courage to assert themselves and boldly claim their rights.
53:3.5 (603.6) He contended that the executioners of the Ancients of Days could be debarred from functioning in the local systems if the native beings would only assert their independence. He maintained that immortality was inherent in the system personalities, that resurrection was natural and automatic, and that all beings would live eternally except for the arbitrary and unjust acts of the executioners of the Ancients of Days.
53:3.6 (604.1) 3. The attack upon the universal plan of ascendant mortal training. Lucifer maintained that far too much time and energy were expended upon the scheme of so thoroughly training ascending mortals in the principles of universe administration, principles which he alleged were unethical and unsound. He protested against the agelong program for preparing the mortals of space for some unknown destiny and pointed to the presence of the finaliter corps on Jerusem as proof that these mortals had spent ages of preparation for some destiny of pure fiction. With derision he pointed out that the finaliters had encountered a destiny no more glorious than to be returned to humble spheres similar to those of their origin. He intimated that they had been debauched by overmuch discipline and prolonged training, and that they were in reality traitors to their mortal fellows since they were now co-operating with the scheme of enslaving all creation to the fictions of a mythical eternal destiny for ascending mortals. He advocated that ascenders should enjoy the liberty of individual self-determination. He challenged and condemned the entire plan of mortal ascension as sponsored by the Paradise Sons of God and supported by the Infinite Spirit.
53:3.7 (604.2) And it was with such a Declaration of Liberty that Lucifer launched his orgy of darkness and death.
Me here: I recall you recently claimed God the Supreme to be only “hypothetical”….interesting. You tread dangerous waters. Very dangerous….please turn back to the shore of reality and truth Caligastia….before the mill stone arrives!
Anything else????
Sorry, can’t help it….hahahahahahahhaha.
It would seem, Bradly that this has become a joke to you.
However, I recently had the opportunity to re-watch the 1960 movie “Inherit the Wind”, made from a play of the same name. You may remember it as “The Great Monkey Trial” or from the original trail, “Scopes Trial” — “The State of Tennessee v. John Thomas Scopes“, which challenged the “Tennessee — Butler Act” of 1925. It wasn’t a joke then, but had they of had the UB back then, the UB could have been used to prove that evolution does exist, and that we as humans came from monkeys, more specifically lemurs.
So, in the same trial, the defence Attorney was ridiculed, and being against God, but being an agnostic, he originally refused because he was concerned that the trail would become a joke.
Nevertheless, whether I believe that the rebels are or are not guilty of what is claimed in the UB, I do believe that everyone is deserving of some form of defence. Which also entitles you to your right of opinion or to prosecute your belief.
The truth is never a joke….but your false claims and refusal or inabilityto understand or accept plain English while claiming your own superiority does offer its form of humor. If you wish to be taken seriously, then say something serious….and meaningful….and within or from the text….that is not pure distortion, fantasy, and misrepresentation!
You accuse the heavenly rulers of all manner of mortal ills and vices. That IS a joke!
Anything else?
You accuse the heavenly rulers of all manner of mortal ills and vices. That IS a joke!
Anything else?
There is always something else, Bradly, where regardless of response, you will always attempt to present the last word.
You are the one making accusations by judging anyone who attempts to present their free-will right to speak, in that, if all do not swear allegiance to your god, they must suffer the wrath of your tongue or pen? You mention above “heavenly rules” as a plural collective entity, where my allegiance is to the Father of All, as presented through Jesus’ teachings, and does not require swearing oaths to lesser gods in order to receive the bestowal of free-will. It would seem that you have sworn your allegiance to the less gods who rule by proxy as they interpret the Father of All’s implied mandate to be perfect, yet if the Most Highs rule on Earth as it is in heaven, then the evidence of their rule can be seen throughout its history. The actuality to make positive change has been passed onto us, as indicated in the text of the UB, yet you persist to accept the failing infrastructure of heaven, where it would seem that they also need to make changes for if “as above, so below” is any evidence of what is “above” as we experience “below”, there is much work to be done, “below” in order to change the “above”, as well.
I await your last word, condemning all who do not ally themselves with your gods. Have a nice day, where others continue to suffer. You propose accepting mercy, which seems conditional, rather than forgiveness, where mercy seems always conditioned on action, and follows that if you are not with us you are against us, which allows no quarter to judgment. Therefore, in kind, if one is not with Bradly they are against Bradly, and if against Bradly, against his gods.
(1584.2) 140:9.3 Jesus advised them to take neither money nor extra clothing, saying, “The laborer is worthy of his hire.” And finally he said: “Behold I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves; be you therefore as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves. But take heed, for your enemies will bring you up before their councils, while in their synagogues they will castigate you. Before governors and rulers you will be brought because you believe this gospel, and your very testimony shall be a witness for me to them. And when they lead you to judgment, be not anxious about what you shall say, for the spirit of my Father indwells you and will at such a time speak through you. Some of you will be put to death, and before you establish the kingdom on earth, you will be hated by many peoples because of this gospel; but fear not; I will be with you, and my spirit shall go before you into all the world. And my Father’s presence will abide with you while you go first to the Jews, then to the gentiles.”
One must consider that even as Jesus indicates here “my Father”, being as the UB indicates, if Michael were the Father, or in this case God, He could not be referring to a plural of Gods only One, who was not Christ/Michael, otherwise He would have made reference to Himself. But the reference to “governors and rulers” could just as easily be associated to the “Most Highs” who rule?
Perhaps I misunderstood your words Midi when you called me stupid (and all others here but yourself) and me also the leader of the death squad pack? And did I misunderstand your defense of and justification for Lucifer and his minions in their denial of the existence of God – not the “lesser gods” but THE God Almighty himself, only to declare himself god over all? And do you think an oath is required for the bestowal of free will…really? It would seem your allegiance suffers by declaring there is no free will and God’s universe a scary and dysfunctional place where rumor, innuendo, false witness, conspiracy, unfairness, injustice, and a lack of due process and mercy leave victims it its wake….as it fails.
And why do you reference the UB at all? You do not appear to believe anything at all that it says about anything. What “positive change” do aspire to in your deceptions about the contents of the UB and the conspiracies you present even though each is a direct contradiction of the Papers? Especially so your claimed “failing infrastructure of heaven”? Good Grief man. What a distorted perspective and so contrary to that we share and study here together.
God is a failure? As is Michael? And yet you claim allegiance? Perplexing indeed. But still you claim your own superiority. I claim only the UB says what it says….and I believe what it says. Obviously you do not. Very well. But how can you claim to use the UB as an authority for any information when you don’t believe a word it says? Very odd. Anything else?
Actually Bradly, when one twists an others words, without quoting them in full context, would indicate there own sub-conscious intent, or true feelings. The fact that you accuse, through your own twisting of words, shows either a pure mis-understanding of others and that if there was no truth in what others present, then the only way to change this truth is to distort the truth, to reflect one’s own sub-conscious thought. Your accusations, and personalized defence of misunderstood knowledge, indicated that you believe that there is truth in what is being presented, yet being necessary to present disinformation to change, by twisting that information which reflects back to yourself. In other words, your words against others, reflects back to yourself as you are in actuality. Transference back to oneself.
(309.5) 28:4.11 4. The Voice of the Angelic Hosts. The fourth primary seconaphim and every seventh serial prove to be angels peculiarly responsive to the sentiments of all orders of angels, including the supernaphim above and the seraphim below. Thus the attitude of any commanding or supervising angel is immediately available for consideration at any council of the Ancients of Days. Never a day passes on your world that the chief of seraphim on Urantia is not made conscious of the phenomenon of reflective transference, of being drawn upon from Uversa for some purpose; but unless forewarned by a Solitary Messenger, she remains wholly ignorant of what is sought and of how it is secured. These ministering spirits of time are constantly furnishing this sort of unconscious and certainly, therefore, unprejudiced testimony concerning the endless array of matters engaging the attention and counsel of the Ancients of Days and their associates.
6. Repercussions of Finite Reality
(1159.1) 105:6.1 The entire promulgation of finite existences represents a transference from potentials to actuals
within the absolute associations of functional infinity. Of the many repercussions to creative actualization of
the finite, there may be cited:(1159.2) 105:6.2 1. The deity response, the appearance of the three levels of experiential supremacy: the actuality of personal-spirit supremacy in Havona, the potential for personal-power supremacy in the grand universe to be, and the capacity for some unknown function of experiential mind acting on some level of supremacy in the future master universe.
(1159.3) 105:6.3 2. The universe response involved an activation of the architectural plans for the superuniverse space level, and this evolution is still progressing throughout the physical organization of the seven superuniverses.
(1159.4) 105:6.4 3. The creature repercussion to finite-reality promulgation resulted in the appearance of perfect beings on the order of the eternal inhabitants of Havona and of perfected evolutionary ascenders from the seven superuniverses. But to attain perfection as an evolutionary (time-creative) experience implies something other-than-perfection as a point of departure. Thus arises imperfection in the evolutionary creations. And this is the origin of potential evil. Misadaptation, disharmony, and conflict, all these things are inherent in evolutionary growth, from physical universes to personal creatures.
(1159.5) 105:6.5 4. The divinity response to the imperfection inherent in the time lag of evolution is disclosed in the compensating presence of God the Sevenfold, by whose activities that which is perfecting is integrated with both the perfect and the perfected. This time lag is inseparable from evolution, which is creativity in time. Because of it, as well as for other reasons, the almighty power of the Supreme is predicated on the divinity successes of God the Sevenfold. This time lag makes possible creature participation in divine creation by permitting creature personalities to become partners with Deity in the attainment of maximum development. Even the material mind of the mortal creature thus becomes partner with the divine Adjuster in the dualization of the immortal soul. God the Sevenfold also provides techniques of compensation for the experiential limitations of inherent perfection as well as compensating the preascension limitations of imperfection.
Hi Midi — some of your long sentences can be hard to follow. Could you try to write in a way that’s easier for us to understand, so that your true meaning will be easier to decipher?
Otherwise, some of your comments can be misconstrued to be… quite disturbing.
with thanks – Nigel
PS: did my paper on the “Lanonandek Dilemma” (attached above) help to explain why I called Lanonandeks… “Michael’s most fragile babies” ?
Hi Midi — some of your long sentences can be hard to follow. Could you try to write in a way that’s easier for us to understand, so that your true meaning will be easier to decipher?
Otherwise, some of your comments can be misconstrued to be… quite disturbing.
with thanks – Nigel
PS: did my paper on the “Lanonandek Dilemma” (attached above) help to explain why I called Lanonandeks… “Michael’s most fragile babies” ?
“Nigel Nunn”, thanks for the input, where I am aware of the issue you indicate, and although difficult when in construction, of thought, where their is often more than one mindal image being presented, I use commas, in order to separate, but also to stay inclusive of the general thought flow, where which many have a tendency to overlook these commas, intended to pause the flow, and even some of these commas, could be replaced with periods, however, when one does so, the separation of thought might be interpreted differently. I am aware of the problem, and strive to be more cognizant of it, going back over, sometimes editing, it often is better to leave it alone. I would suggest using the commas as a larger pause period, which then might help in the context of the narration.
Regarding your presentation, “Lanonandek Dilemma”, I have chanced to examine its content and can see where you are going with the implication presented therein. I personally believe that the “dilemma” is more with the “Melchizedek and Vorondadek brothers.” This being that the Lanonandek’s were created in order to be closer to the mortal creatures, and as you present that they may be more susceptible to corruption, so to speak, it would seem that their intermediary affect, much like the Midwayers, is not being recognized by the Vorondadek. In that they do not consider, as being of viable significance, especially when there seem to be errors, resultant from their mandated function, and from the Lanonandek’s, based on their observations. What may be present as rebellion, may only be an inference for needed change. The Melchizedek’s and Vorondadek’s, seem to look upon this as going against their imposed legislative laws, or mandates, and would seem that they should reason why there is opposition, in order to either better define the details of their legislative acts, being implemented for the benefit of those who they have no direct connection with. It would seem that Lanonandek’s provide feedback along with implementation of so called laws, presented by Vorondadek’s but they are not willing to admit that those laws either need change, or need additional work, being that they will work for all, not admitting that now there are differences from the past.
Therefore, being that Lanonandek’s are closer to the problems, their input is necessary because evolutionary changes are not seen nor understood by Vorondadek’s, mainly because there is no presidence to work from. Therein lies the dilemma, or so I think.
As to the “Michael’s most fragile babies”, I haven’t gotten that fare in your presentation but, other than changing that statement to indicate that it is Michael’s baby, as fare as being his final decision, it should not be considered “fragile”?
Well…here I sit, slowly working through a generous portion of humble pie….one I made and served up to myself….yet again. Haha. Since I acted out here, I thought I should acknowledge my display(s) of immaturity and thank the group for your support and indulgence of my imposition on you all here as well.
Regardless of cause (and there’s been plenty of that), I have been rude, mean spirited, belligerent, personal, sarcastic, caustic, and a little crazy…for which there is no excuse….except immaturity and self importance on my part!
We are not always responsible for the circumstances and situations and challenges we face in life, but we are responsible for our responses at every intersection of choice, no matter the cause for those. I have well demonstrated the need to improve my own response-ability. The Master taught that sin and evil were not to be met passively nor are they to be defended against or assaulted by more sin and evil….the old wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove thing. Error and even personal attack is to be faced with a compassionate and love based response that overcomes, diverts, and diminishes both the causes and the effects of that evil which confronts us, even assails us, including those who revile and demean us. There have been some good examples of a greater wisdom than my own here….and I appreciate those very much.
Reading my recent posts shows how much this tadpole has to learn in such regard. Self defensiveness requires ‘self’ to be at the center of the response. To punish those who assault me and insult me requires, again, that self importance motivate the response. There are those who deliver up challenging opportunities for learning and teaching but neither of those is served by acrimony and/or self importance.
This is not an apology….but is an acknowledgement for my own bad form and detrimental attitudes which only detract from whatever truth might be contained in such an ugly wrapper. Better for the tadpole to change and progress than endlessly apologize for every transgression. It is a fact that such bad form victimizes the community here and not just the target of my frustration and exasperation and I do regret that.
So I chew on this pie with contemplation on how this experience might deliver greater wisdom and far better response-ability going forward. Be assured such potential growth is incremental and I will surely disappoint again. But I did not want my friends here to think I am blind to my own failures nor indifferent to the demands of experiential growth and greater wisdom by my mistakes.
Time to re-boot and try again…with vigor and sincerity….and far less self at the center of all responses to all situations.
Laughing at my own self importance and how ridiculous I can be:
48:4.15 (549.2) When we are tempted to magnify our self-importance, if we stop to contemplate the infinity of the greatness and grandeur of our Makers, our own self-glorification becomes sublimely ridiculous, even verging on the humorous. One of the functions of humor is to help all of us take ourselves less seriously. Humor is the divine antidote for exaltation of ego.
Jesus calls us his “Children” and the authors of the 5th revelation say we are the “Children” of God.
this is descriptive – and more than a family designation.
(138.3) 12:7.8 The Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man present the paradox of the part and the whole on the level of personality. God loves each individual as an individual child in the heavenly family. Yet God thus loves every individual; he is no respecter of persons, and the universality of his love brings into being a relationship of the whole, the universal brotherhood.
(138.4) 12:7.9 The love of the Father absolutely individualizes each personality as a unique child of the Universal Father, a child without duplicate in infinity, a will creature irreplaceable in all eternity. The Father’s love glorifies each child of God, illuminating each member of the celestial family, sharply silhouetting the unique nature of each personal being against the impersonal levels that lie outside the fraternal circuit of the Father of all. The love of God strikingly portrays the transcendent value of each will creature, unmistakably reveals the high value which the Universal Father has placed upon each and every one of his children from the highest creator personality of Paradise status to the lowest personality of will dignity among the savage tribes of men in the dawn of the human species on some evolutionary world of time and space.
(138.5) 12:7.10 This very love of God for the individual brings into being the divine family of all individuals, the universal brotherhood of the freewill children of the Paradise Father. And this brotherhood, being universal, is a relationship of the whole. Brotherhood, when universal, discloses not the each relationship, but the all relationship. Brotherhood is a reality of the total and therefore discloses qualities of the whole in contradistinction [distinction by opposition or contrast] to qualities of the part.
(138.6) 12:7.11 Brotherhood constitutes a fact of relationship between every personality in universal existence. No person can escape the benefits or the penalties that may come as a result of relationship to other persons. The part profits or suffers in measure with the whole. The good effort of each man benefits all men; the error or evil of each man augments the tribulation of all men. As moves the part, so moves the whole. As the progress of the whole, so the progress of the part. The relative velocities of part and whole determine whether the part is retarded by the inertia of the whole or is carried forward by the momentum of the cosmic brotherhood.
(1898.2) 174:1.2 After a short silence Jesus looked significantly at all four and answered: “My brethren, you err in your opinions because you do not comprehend the nature of those intimate and loving relations between the creature and the Creator, between man and God. You fail to grasp that understanding sympathy which the wise parent entertains for his immature and sometimes erring child. It is indeed doubtful whether intelligent and affectionate parents are ever called upon to forgive an average and normal child. Understanding relationships associated with attitudes of love effectively prevent all those estrangements which later necessitate the readjustment of repentance by the child with forgiveness by the parent.
(1898.3) 174:1.3 “A part of every father lives in the child. The father enjoys priority and superiority of understanding in all matters connected with the child-parent relationship. The parent is able to view the immaturity of the child in the light of the more advanced parental maturity, the riper experience of the older partner. With the earthly child and the heavenly Father, the divine parent possesses infinity and divinity of sympathy and capacity for loving understanding. Divine forgiveness is inevitable; it is inherent and inalienable in God’s infinite understanding, in his perfect knowledge of all that concerns the mistaken judgment and erroneous choosing of the child. Divine justice is so eternally fair that it unfailingly embodies understanding mercy.
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