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  • #16788
    Mara
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    Bradly wrote:  Despite my blinding obstacles to clear vision, I am certain of humanity’s progress in many ways when compared to our past and have great confidence in those charged with the ministry of progress still to come.
    Thank you Bradly for your beautiful post!  The revelators are not discouraged and the references you cite are inspiring.  I appreciate getting the conversation back to higher ground.
    #16789
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    You are the one, Bradly, who was whining when you wrote this, “….Indeed, some parts of the world are far more backward in epochal progress than others. There are still cannibals!! And witch doctors and paganism!! And women are still property in much of the world – both as daughters and wives – and do not yet enjoy basic human rights! We are quite a kettle of stew. Must drive the angels of progress a little crazy. Thanks for the text Mara….”

    My simple question to you was about the other phrase you use all the time regarding what OTHER people need to make progress – “affliction”. How come humanity can’t get past the “affliction” of cannibalism? Eating up others to gain power and wealth?

    I will do what I will do in the “now”, just like you, because that is ALL ANYONE HAS OF TIME – increments of “now” stretching out to eternity. Once again, if I was a teacher grading a fellow reader’s comprehension of the “uninspired” cosmology in TUB, you would get an “F” for understanding the origin, purpose, and destiny of “time”. The only time you have to gift “affliction” to another is still in the “now” no matter what your idea about the “future” is and what other beings of intelligence are helping you with your genetic implant. A knee jerk assessment of personal imaginative musings being TA transmissions SHOULD BE, according to TUB, “…that’s just my own DELUSIONS…”. Or at least assess which brain is doing the male thinking for you in the eternal “NOW”.

    No doubt there is progress! Feeling it right now, you?

    1:3.7 (26.1) In the inner experience of man, mind is joined to matter. Such material-linked minds cannot survive mortal death. The technique of survival is embraced in those adjustments of the human will and those transformations in the mortal mind whereby such a God-conscious intellect gradually becomes spirit taught and eventually spirit led. This evolution of the human mind from matter association to spirit union results in the transmutation of the potentially spirit phases of the mortal mind into the morontia realities of the immortal soul. Mortal mind subservient to matter is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to suffer eventual personality extinction; mind yielded to spirit is destined to become increasingly spiritual and ultimately to achieve oneness with the surviving and guiding divine spirit and in this way to attain survival and eternity of personality existence.

    #16790
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    1:3.7 (26.1) In the inner experience of man, mind is joined to matter. Such material-linked minds cannot survive mortal death. The technique of survival is embraced in those adjustments of the human will and those transformations in the mortal mind whereby such a God-conscious intellect gradually becomes spirit taught and eventually spirit led. This evolution of the human mind from matter association to spirit union results in the transmutation of the potentially spirit phases of the mortal mind into the morontia realities of the immortal soul. Mortal mind subservient to matter is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to suffer eventual personality extinction; mind yielded to spirit is destined to become increasingly spiritual and ultimately to achieve oneness with the surviving and guiding divine spirit and in this way to attain survival and eternity of personality existence.

    In the dystopian future of Luciferians, as their minds so completely wed with the “material”, the “now” will no longer be available to them because they get crowded out by spirit led beings with all their oars in the water at once.

    #16791
    Bradly
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    All mortals are afflicted….by a wide variety of maladies and anxieties and prejudices.  Never met anyone who has not suffered affliction along the edges of conflict and within the vicissitudes of material life.  Affliction offers opportunity for transformation and transcendence into new paradigms of perspective, greater hope and faith, and material adjustments due to more experience with cause and effect.  It is not affliction that truly matters….it is the individual’s RESPONSE to afflictions that grow character.  We are revealed in the mirror of temporal defeat and are born into challenge to learn cause and effect and grow thereby.

    Recognition of the obvious was not intended as any form of whining….I have nothing to whine about nor am I anxious for our world or the destiny potential for every soul on-planet.  Others find great sport in finding blame for their own anxieties while focused on all that is wrong (dark patches) while blind to the right and the light that floods our world and propels us and accelerates us into planetary destiny.  Evolutionary progress appears invisible to the one eyed man I suppose who is fixated on the ultimate irrelevancies before him.  To be transfixed in the indictment of others is hardly the example provided or instructions given by the Master.  What if all things earthly shall crash about us?  They aren’t and they won’t for the world, but they often do for the each of us in this brief and confusing life, especially those with a morbid fascination with doom and gloom and judgment and despair.  Unfortunate.

    But yes….I see progress all around and feel it within.  Thanks for asking. ;-)

     

     

    #16793
    martine
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    Yes, those are all very optimistic citations from the UB. Just wondering though, if that means that Urantians should all be serene, complacent, and politically oblivious or indifferent?  After all, the Midwayers and Angels of Progress, and so on will make sure it works out to the glory of God.

    #16795
    Bradly
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    Serene?  Yes of course.  Poised and confident?  You bet!  Trusting and joyful?  Oh indeed!

    Complacent and indifferent?  Of course not.  The Papers teach us that every worthy religionist is also a very worthy citizen and good neighbor and parent and grandparent and spouse, etc.

    It is not optimistic to have confidence in inevitabilities – like our personal and planetary destinies.  I am an optimist though for the future related to my children and grandchildren….I see great progress made and even more exciting potential ahead.  Depends on where you look and where your mind is.  There is plenty to improve upon….I work every day to contribute to such improvement.  As is our task while here.

    Anxiety is pure mind poison as is anger and suspicion and unrighteous dominion as is pessimism.  If someone is unhappy, that’s a personal problem often attended by perspective blindness and lack of faith.  Unfortunate.  And a big part of the problem and no part of any solution.

    #16796
    martine
    martine
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    Bradly,

    Let me guess. You’re white, financially secure (at least reasonably so), and have had at least some social status for all or most of your life that ranked you above the ‘marginalized’.  Your family members were never murdered by police, there weren’t car bombs going off in your neighborhood, there isn’t depleted uranium laying around from the last U.S. invasion; you’re not worried about random drone strikes, you buy food at the grocery store and water comes out of your tap. So, maybe it’s easy to be optimistic for your children and grandchildren, especially if they have been given all the support (they of course deserve) that white, monied, American culture tends to provide for itself, as long as they don’t stray too far outside the lines or ask too many questions. It’s a privilege that belongs to a very very small percentage of the human population.

    #16797
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    @Bradly – every time YOU bring up the “affliction” one-liner is when you KNOW that that is NOT the kind of “affliction” TUB is talking about – the accidents of time, the evolutionary struggle for survival against laws of physics that are indifferent to man, and, this is where TUB levels the playing field, a God-sent caretaker of that struggling and HEROIC primitive man who chose to BELIEVE that humankind is NOT worth the time and effort the universe that is God’s will has INVESTED in tadpoles becoming finaltiers.

    Indeed things have suddenly changed! Hurrah! Wave bye-bye to that whole “what is torture when greed is good” philosophy for living that piggybacked on the ATONEMENT lie which piggybacked off cannibalism….go figure….rock worshippers vs. phallus worshippers still steering “technology” right off the cliff….


    @martine
    – have patience with USA as We The People TRY to do something besides have a shoot out at noon with the liars thieves and murderers who have been HIDING their iniquity behind “religion” – NO ONE on the planet benefits if the GREEDY foreign manipulators inside USA continue to launch creative financial instruments in dark pools that bankrupt cities like Detroit! This is a virtual reality GAME that is about to be cut off from REALITY…so work on your own garden (non-GMO?) with your own enlightened leadership and leave it to We the People to take care of the “markedly unfit” in our “race”.

    #16798
    Bradly
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    Thanks for asking Martin.  Actually, I would say my family and I have always been “marginalized”…but white yes.  I have two sides of my wife and I’s family that are not and I grew up in an integrated community – black, hispanic, Jew, Catholic, Asian, mixed, and white…a child of the 60s with nuclear bomb drills in grade school and the Cuban crisis and Watts and the murders of JFK and MLK and RFK and 4 dead in Ohio and the Mississippi State massacre and the perfect age for the horrors in Viet Nam!!  Yeah, it was real sweet and real settled….not.

    My family has farmed, small dirt farmin’, scratchin’ every year to not starve or lose the farm.  I do make payments on a house the bank and I co-own (okay, the bank is the senior partner) that is modest in a small town and now own a business my wife and I work together.  Can’t seem to save a nickel for helping out family – old, young, little and in between!  I’ve buried loved ones and been nearly murdered a couple of times.  Spent 20 years hoboing around the country (hobos are not bums, they work for everything and don’t ask for much in return)….picking fruit as a migrant, roofing, gas station attendant, short order cook, landscaping, building fence, farm hand,….lived in a redwood stump, a tepee, many a trailer (even had running water a couple of times!), lived in a palmetto swamp awhile in the 70s unable to find work, day labor of course, landed in 6 states broke….but willing and able!  It’s been real interesting.  And not easy.  As a child on the farm (without running water but a nice team of horses) I was taught to trust the Lord for my daily bread (and a strong back and willing/able hands) and to plant in the spring, and harvest whatever there was in the fall after the bugs, disease, drought, flood, and low prices left us for the winter.  Very privileged indeed!

    But I certainly understand your very valid point.  Any white boy in America of any generation leads a privileged life compared to most all others anywhere, anytime.  Well said.  It has always amazed me to witness generosity, kindness, serenity, and hope in the faces of children and adults in famine, war, etc.  How does that happen?  I am very well read and know how much suffering there is in our world and even understand many of the causes of such effects.  I am not naive nor pollyanna in my perspective.  Suffering became a very big obstacle to me and God and faith and my religious experience….a BIG obstacle.  Why? Why?  Why?  Why not stop it?  Why not bring the world relief? Ever been angry with God?  I have been!  And not for myself but for all those innocents who suffer the consequences of bigotry, hatred, greed, power mongering, hypocracy, violence.  I have learned much about America’s many forms of shame too – from the Pilgrims and witch burners to slavers to sweat shop barrons and union buster to Wall St. to D.C. and everywhere in between.

    But we are here to study the Urantia Papers and my perspective and philosophy of daily living derives thereby and therefrom in many ways today.  Are we to be fearful?  Angry?  Blaming?  Paranoid?  Blind to love and hope and faith?  What are the fruits of the spirit?  How are they derived?  What are the results to mind and soul?  Is our world in the hands of the Most Highs?  Is this the Shrine of Nebadon?  Will our Master Son incarnated here abandon us?  Is God real?  Is love?  Lots for each mind to work out regardless  of their privilege or their suffering.  I have suffered brother, as have you, as have us all.  Shall we lament our lives or celebrate our destiny?

    Everybody gets to choose.  I have chosen.  And I am happy for it.  Count my blessings every day and pray that everyone might find that peace which passes all understanding….but I can’t do it for them.  I will laugh with them on the other side of the Jordan.

    :good:

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    Definitely a tale of two Americas – check out the movie “Deliverance” from the 1970s…


    @Bradly
    – I guess my only question is how – with all these moving parts – you managed to be a hobo for 20 years…?!

    8. The Character of Statehood

    71:8.1 (806.14) The only sacred feature of any human government is the division of statehood into the three domains of executive, legislative, and judicial functions. The universe is administered in accordance with such a plan of segregation of functions and authority. Aside from this divine concept of effective social regulation or civil government, it matters little what form of state a people may elect to have provided the citizenry is ever progressing toward the goal of augmented self-control and increased social service. The intellectual keenness, economic wisdom, social cleverness, and moral stamina of a people are all faithfully reflected in statehood.

    71:8.2 (806.15) The evolution of statehood entails progress from level to level, as follows:

    71:8.3 (806.16) 1. The creation of a threefold government of executive, legislative, and judicial branches.

    71:8.4 (806.17) 2. The freedom of social, political, and religious activities.

    71:8.5 (807.1) 3. The abolition of all forms of slavery and human bondage.

    71:8.6 (807.2) 4. The ability of the citizenry to control the levying of taxes.

    71:8.7 (807.3) 5. The establishment of universal education — learning extended from the cradle to the grave.

    71:8.8 (807.4) 6. The proper adjustment between local and national governments.

    71:8.9 (807.5) 7. The fostering of science and the conquest of disease.

    71:8.10 (807.6) 8. The due recognition of sex equality and the co-ordinated functioning of men and women in the home, school, and church, with specialized service of women in industry and government.

    71:8.11 (807.7) 9. The elimination of toiling slavery by machine invention and the subsequent mastery of the machine age.

    71:8.12 (807.8) 10. The conquest of dialects — the triumph of a universal language.

    71:8.13 (807.9) 11. The ending of war — international adjudication of national and racial differences by continental courts of nations presided over by a supreme planetary tribunal automatically recruited from the periodically retiring heads of the continental courts. The continental courts are authoritative; the world court is advisory — moral.

    71:8.14 (807.10) 12. The world-wide vogue of the pursuit of wisdom — the exaltation of philosophy. The evolution of a world religion, which will presage the entrance of the planet upon the earlier phases of settlement in light and life.

    71:8.15 (807.11) These are the prerequisites of progressive government and the earmarks of ideal statehood. Urantia is far from the realization of these exalted ideals, but the civilized races have made a beginning — mankind is on the march toward higher evolutionary destinies.

    71:8.16 (807.12) [Sponsored by a Melchizedek of Nebadon.]

    No one from any country or any race needs to ever apologize to any other country or race for making their lives less miserable through honest work! Here’s how the Son of Man had that conversation in Rome and ALL peoples on Earth “NOW” can learn from it – still:

    5. Counseling the Rich Man

    132:5.1 (1462.2) A certain rich man, a Roman citizen and a Stoic, became greatly interested in Jesus’ teaching, having been introduced by Angamon. After many intimate conferences this wealthy citizen asked Jesus what he would do with wealth if he had it, and Jesus answered him: “I would bestow material wealth for the enhancement of material life, even as I would minister knowledge, wisdom, and spiritual service for the enrichment of the intellectual life, the ennoblement of the social life, and the advancement of the spiritual life. I would administer material wealth as a wise and effective trustee of the resources of one generation for the benefit and ennoblement of the next and succeeding generations.”

    132:5.2 (1462.3) But the rich man was not fully satisfied with Jesus’ answer. He made bold to ask again: “But what do you think a man in my position should do with his wealth? Should I keep it, or should I give it away?” And when Jesus perceived that he really desired to know more of the truth about his loyalty to God and his duty to men, he further answered: “My good friend, I discern that you are a sincere seeker after wisdom and an honest lover of truth; therefore am I minded to lay before you my view of the solution of your problems having to do with the responsibilities of wealth. I do this because you have asked for my counsel, and in giving you this advice, I am not concerned with the wealth of any other rich man; I am offering advice only to you and for your personal guidance. If you honestly desire to regard your wealth as a trust, if you really wish to become a wise and efficient steward of your accumulated wealth, then would I counsel you to make the following analysis of the sources of your riches: Ask yourself, and do your best to find the honest answer, whence came this wealth? And as a help in the study of the sources of your great fortune, I would suggest that you bear in mind the following ten different methods of amassing material wealth:

    132:5.3 (1462.4) “1. Inherited wealth — riches derived from parents and other ancestors.

    132:5.4 (1462.5) “2. Discovered wealth — riches derived from the uncultivated resources of mother earth.

    132:5.5 (1462.6) “3. Trade wealth — riches obtained as a fair profit in the exchange and barter of material goods.

    132:5.6 (1462.7) “4. Unfair wealth — riches derived from the unfair exploitation or the enslavement of one’s fellows.

    132:5.7 (1463.1) “5. Interest wealth — income derived from the fair and just earning possibilities of invested capital.

    132:5.8 (1463.2) “6. Genius wealth — riches accruing from the rewards of the creative and inventive endowments of the human mind.

    132:5.9 (1463.3) “7. Accidental wealth — riches derived from the generosity of one’s fellows or taking origin in the circumstances of life.

    132:5.10 (1463.4) “8. Stolen wealth — riches secured by unfairness, dishonesty, theft, or fraud.

    132:5.11 (1463.5) “9. Trust funds — wealth lodged in your hands by your fellows for some specific use, now or in the future.

    132:5.12 (1463.6) “10. Earned wealth — riches derived directly from your own personal labor, the fair and just reward of your own daily efforts of mind and body.

    132:5.13 (1463.7) “And so, my friend, if you would be a faithful and just steward of your large fortune, before God and in service to men, you must approximately divide your wealth into these ten grand divisions, and then proceed to administer each portion in accordance with the wise and honest interpretation of the laws of justice, equity, fairness, and true efficiency; albeit, the God of heaven would not condemn you if sometimes you erred, in doubtful situations, on the side of merciful and unselfish regard for the distress of the suffering victims of the unfortunate circumstances of mortal life. When in honest doubt about the equity and justice of material situations, let your decisions favor those who are in need, favor those who suffer the misfortune of undeserved hardships.”

    132:5.14 (1463.8) After discussing these matters for several hours and in response to the rich man’s request for further and more detailed instruction, Jesus went on to amplify his advice, in substance saying: “While I offer further suggestions concerning your attitude toward wealth, I would admonish you to receive my counsel as given only to you and for your personal guidance. I speak only for myself and to you as an inquiring friend. I adjure you not to become a dictator as to how other rich men shall regard their wealth. I would advise you:

    132:5.15 (1463.9) “1. As steward of inherited wealth you should consider its sources. You are under moral obligation to represent the past generation in the honest transmittal of legitimate wealth to succeeding generations after subtracting a fair toll for the benefit of the present generation. But you are not obligated to perpetuate any dishonesty or injustice involved in the unfair accumulation of wealth by your ancestors. Any portion of your inherited wealth which turns out to have been derived through fraud or unfairness, you may disburse in accordance with your convictions of justice, generosity, and restitution. The remainder of your legitimate inherited wealth you may use in equity and transmit in security as the trustee of one generation for another. Wise discrimination and sound judgment should dictate your decisions regarding the bequest of riches to your successors.

    132:5.16 (1463.10) “2. Everyone who enjoys wealth as a result of discovery should remember that one individual can live on earth but a short season and should, therefore, make adequate provision for the sharing of these discoveries in helpful ways by the largest possible number of his fellow men. While the discoverer should not be denied all reward for efforts of discovery, neither should he selfishly presume to lay claim to all of the advantages and blessings to be derived from the uncovering of nature’s hoarded resources.

    132:5.17 (1464.1) “3. As long as men choose to conduct the world’s business by trade and barter, they are entitled to a fair and legitimate profit. Every tradesman deserves wages for his services; the merchant is entitled to his hire. The fairness of trade and the honest treatment accorded one’s fellows in the organized business of the world create many different sorts of profit wealth, and all these sources of wealth must be judged by the highest principles of justice, honesty, and fairness. The honest trader should not hesitate to take the same profit which he would gladly accord his fellow trader in a similar transaction. While this sort of wealth is not identical with individually earned income when business dealings are conducted on a large scale, at the same time, such honestly accumulated wealth endows its possessor with a considerable equity as regards a voice in its subsequent distribution.

    132:5.18 (1464.2) “4. No mortal who knows God and seeks to do the divine will can stoop to engage in the oppressions of wealth. No noble man will strive to accumulate riches and amass wealth-power by the enslavement or unfair exploitation of his brothers in the flesh. Riches are a moral curse and a spiritual stigma when they are derived from the sweat of oppressed mortal man. All such wealth should be restored to those who have thus been robbed or to their children and their children’s children. An enduring civilization cannot be built upon the practice of defrauding the laborer of his hire.

    132:5.19 (1464.3) “5. Honest wealth is entitled to interest. As long as men borrow and lend, that which is fair interest may be collected provided the capital lent was legitimate wealth. First cleanse your capital before you lay claim to the interest. Do not become so small and grasping that you would stoop to the practice of usury. Never permit yourself to be so selfish as to employ money-power to gain unfair advantage over your struggling fellows. Yield not to the temptation to take usury from your brother in financial distress.

    132:5.20 (1464.4) “6. If you chance to secure wealth by flights of genius, if your riches are derived from the rewards of inventive endowment, do not lay claim to an unfair portion of such rewards. The genius owes something to both his ancestors and his progeny; likewise is he under obligation to the race, nation, and circumstances of his inventive discoveries; he should also remember that it was as man among men that he labored and wrought out his inventions. It would be equally unjust to deprive the genius of all his increment of wealth. And it will ever be impossible for men to establish rules and regulations applicable equally to all these problems of the equitable distribution of wealth. You must first recognize man as your brother, and if you honestly desire to do by him as you would have him do by you, the commonplace dictates of justice, honesty, and fairness will guide you in the just and impartial settlement of every recurring problem of economic rewards and social justice.

    132:5.21 (1464.5) “7. Except for the just and legitimate fees earned in administration, no man should lay personal claim to that wealth which time and chance may cause to fall into his hands. Accidental riches should be regarded somewhat in the light of a trust to be expended for the benefit of one’s social or economic group. The possessors of such wealth should be accorded the major voice in the determination of the wise and effective distribution of such unearned resources. Civilized man will not always look upon all that he controls as his personal and private possession.

    132:5.22 (1465.1) “8. If any portion of your fortune has been knowingly derived from fraud; if aught of your wealth has been accumulated by dishonest practices or unfair methods; if your riches are the product of unjust dealings with your fellows, make haste to restore all these ill-gotten gains to the rightful owners. Make full amends and thus cleanse your fortune of all dishonest riches.

    132:5.23 (1465.2) “9. The trusteeship of the wealth of one person for the benefit of others is a solemn and sacred responsibility. Do not hazard or jeopardize such a trust. Take for yourself of any trust only that which all honest men would allow.

    132:5.24 (1465.3) “10. That part of your fortune which represents the earnings of your own mental and physical efforts — if your work has been done in fairness and equity — is truly your own. No man can gainsay your right to hold and use such wealth as you may see fit provided your exercise of this right does not work harm upon your fellows.”

    #16805
    martine
    martine
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    @Bradly – Fair enough, and I respect your perspective. We come from not too dissimilar backgrounds.  And I think the UB, if its ideals are internalized, should compel a certain social action, or at least disposition, on the part of anyone who has adopted the values inherent or implicit in the Papers. It can be carried out by each according to his or her individual and unique interpretations of ‘planetary progress’.  I think that action can take a lot of different forms, and your trust in the celestial over-control and things working out for the greater good seems to be a valid disposition. I also think a certain degree of radicalism and revolt are not inconsistent with the UB either.


    @Sabinatu
    – I’m all for the struggle for and by ‘we the people’. Though I’m not sure ‘foreign’ manipulators are behind much of inequity and war that come out of the political and financial sector. American bankers, ideologues, and weapons manufacturers are perfectly capable on their own of working against the public interest, international cooperation, and human welfare generally.

    #16813
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    @Martine – Evidence is clear that it has been FOREIGN manipulators of the GLOBAL market – not hard to find the evidence on the internet if you look at all the GUILTY pleas. The discomfort is that the laws on the books were NOT enforced. That’s anarchy.

    The fatal flaw with your average normal American is that they have not been educated properly in the identification of psychotic and depraved “markedly unfit” and how they operate in the shadows, hiding behind the “religion” of others. Would REAL NORMAL Christians ever flood the media with “what is torture if greed is good?” conversations??!!

    The comment sections are always better than the article – here’s the comment that hits the nail on the head about “education, value and ethics” among the scientists making the “discovery”:

    “The first concern is profiling and intervening on people before they’ve made any decisions at all. Scary sci-fi movies come to mind. But the more pertinent parts of psychiatry/psychology that concern me is the failure to place any responsibility on the environment. Being dissatisfied with the state of the world is arguably completely sane and rational. In many cases depressed people have a lot of valid points and society needs to be corrected. So the way these blood tests are being painted is concerning to me. For example, this SAT1 markers could be “intuition” and “empathy” and they’re being painted as only self-termination markers.”

    It’s is a full out WAR against “normal” – http://www.rt.com/news/313112-blood-tests-predict-suicide/

    #16823
    Mara
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    A note to readers who may find their way to this post.  I am embarrassed to read posts that express fear-mongering.  Perhaps those here who toss their anti-this or anti-that to see if it will stick have nothing else to do but whine.  Here, in this space, we are talking about the in-depth study of the teachings of The Urantia Book.  Students who are interested in studying with us take heart.  Vern said something today over in another forum I want to share.

    Vern wrote:  (#16821)  In dealing with each other, in conversions with our fellows, ever is the appeal to spirit the wisest course of action. The God in you is actively responsive to the God within your neighbour if you are genuinely motivated by love………..desire to do good to others.

    #16829
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    “The Book belongs to the era immediately to follow the conclusion of the present ideological struggle.”

    An article called “History of The Publication Mandate: The Timing of The Urantia Book: Introduction to the Publication Mandate” by Carolyn Bowman Kendall was published in the UAI Journal Vol 21, No 4 December 2014.

    http://urantia-association.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Journal_Vol-21_No-4_en.pdf

    So my question is: What is the present ideological struggle all about? Do you think they are talking about an ideological struggle in terms of religion, or something else? By my way of thinking we’re not ever going to have uniformity of viewpoint. We can aim for unity of ideals, goals and purposes 99:5:7, relative to the era just ahead of us when the present ideological struggle comes to an end.

    http://urantia-association.org/the-publication-mandate/

    Hi Mara,

    Did you get your question answered?  Perhaps you can pull it all together for us…?

    #16830
    martine
    martine
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    While some of the posts on this thread might digress off-topic, I don’t think I would judge them as ‘fear mongering’.  Admittedly, on balance, the UB is optimistic over long-term trends. It is unknown what the length of those terms might be. It might be 500 years or it might be 50,000 years. The fact is there is this statement in the Book which says basically, nothing’s going to happen spiritually on this planet, of any great significance, unless and until the termination of the current ideological struggle. It would seem important therefore to identify the source and nature of that struggle. Further, there is nothing in the UB which assures us that the struggle does not include the near-obliteration of the human population. It is NOT predicted, but it is not impossible either that the planet will not face another round of extinctions, of ‘biological tribulation’ (because of human action this time).  I personally don’t think it’s likely, but since time is of no matter to celestials, the light and life eras may be initiated by the decedents of a rebuilt civilization who may be more receptive the leadings of the spirit – sort of a phoenix phenomena. There is no known rule of the cosmic game preventing that.

    And so, if you survey the readership of the UB, you will find a range of dispositions regarding the faith in the present inhabitants of Urantia to NOT burn it all to the ground. And quite frankly, if you study the politics of power in the U.S. and other countries, you can’t help but respect what Professor Chomsky has been saying since 1965, and who has become far less optimistic over the last 15 years or so about the chances of avoiding a world-wide calamity.  As a Urantia Book reader, you may believe none of this has anything to do with you and promoting the spiritual power of the Urantia Papers. And who knows, maybe it doesn’t. But I think there are readers out there who might disagree, and say that it is actually incumbent upon us to promote the Urantia Book’s descriptions and values regarding what might be called the ‘just society’.

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