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Apologies for nearly detracting from the topic…
While just slightly deviating from the original seven spirits presented in Isaiah’s vision, the adjutants pretty much are drawn from them:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
- Spirit of the Lord
- Spirit of Wisdom
- Spirit of Understanding
- Spirit of Counsel
- Spirit of Might
- Spirit of Knowledge
- Spirit of fear
Isaiah’s vision
Seven Adjutants
- Intuition (fear)
- Understanding
- Courage (might)
- Knowledge
- Counsel
- Worship (Lord)
- Wisdom
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Silly question but:
is it the mind that makes the contact with the Spirit of Wisdom?
if so there is something else that lures the mind to this contact? Influence other than adjutant?
In addition, when you talk about coordination, Angels come to mind. Do you think they play a roll here?!
I appreciate your questions. Gives us something to think about!nelsong wrote: Is it the mind that makes the contact with the Spirit of Wisdom?Rather, it is the other way around: The adjustant spirit of wisdom makes contact with mind. We are “minded” organisms. The adjutants are more circuit-like, they tell us, and they begin to function in their mind ministry as soon as they can.65:7:6 The acquisition of the potential of the ability to learn from experience marks the beginning of the functioning of the adjutant spirits, and they function from the lowliest minds of primitive and invisible existences up to the highest types in the evolutionary scale of human beings. They are the source and pattern for the otherwise more or less mysterious behavior and incompletely understood quick reactions of mind to the material environment. Long must these faithful and always dependable influences carry forward their preliminary ministry before the animal mind attains the human levels of spirit receptivity... . . if so there is something else that lures the mind to this contact? Influence other than adjutant?
Here is a reference indicating some of those lures or influences.
108:4:3 Thought Adjusters appear to come and go quite independent of any and all other spiritual presences; they seem to function in accordance with universe laws quite apart from those which govern and control the performances of all other spirit influences. But regardless of such apparent independence, long-range observation unquestionably discloses that they function in the human mind in perfect synchrony and co-ordination with all other spirit ministries, including adjutant mind-spirits, Holy Spirit, Spirit of Truth, and other influences.nelsong wrote: is it the mind that makes the contact with the Spirit of Wisdom?The brain responds to mind ministry. Mind over matter. As the capacity of the brain increases, contact with higher and higher adjutants is facilitated.
58:6.7 The physiologic equipment and the anatomic structure of all new orders of life are in response to the action of physical law, but the subsequent endowment of mind is a bestowal of the adjutantmind-spirits in accordance with innate brain capacity. Mind, while not a physical evolution, is wholly dependent on the brain capacity afforded by purely physical and evolutionary developments.
nelsong wrote: if so there is something else that lures the mind to this contact?Brain capacity, intellect. The physical is responsive to the mind circuits and the mind circuits are responsive to the spiritual circuits. That’s the way the universe works.
42:12.15 Mind universally dominates matter, even as it is in turn responsive to the ultimate overcontrol of spirit.
nelsong wrote: In addition, when you talk about coordination, Angels come to mind. Do you think they play a roll here?!Angels work in concert with the Creative Spirit to make all impersonal influences personal. They also work with the adjutants.113:3.2 More especially can and does this seraphic guardian correlate the manifold agencies and influences of the Infinite Spirit, ranging from the domains of the physical controllers and the adjutant mind-spirits up to the Holy Spirit of the Divine Minister and to the Omnipresent Spirit presence of the Paradise Third Source and Center. Having thus unified and made more personal these vast ministries of the Infinite Spirit, the seraphim then undertakes to correlate this integrated influence of the Conjoint Actor with the spirit presences of the Father and the Son.113:3.5 On the spiritual level, seraphim make personal many otherwise impersonal and prepersonal ministries of the universe; they are co-ordinators. On the intellectual level they are the correlators of mind and morontia; they are interpreters.
Has anyone actually tried to figure out how many “spirits” are influencing or adjusting or just keeping the human mind working, normally. To take everything in the Urantia Book, literally as written would actually mean that a human has no control or free-will to act upon, therefore the old saying, “the devil made me do it”, could now be focused on all the spirits floating around in one’s head, influencing a humans every thought and action.
If one would consider that the Urantia Book actual goes into detail about all of these spirits, which are unseen, as are the neurologic impulses which go on in the human brain and can be contributed to the human mind, it would make more sense that the UB, is attempting to map the human brain, where it is comparing this all the way up from the animal creature levels to the higher functioning human.
So, if there are all these spirits that make up all the decision making that goes on in a human mind, why go to all the trouble to focus on all these different functions. The first five of these adjutant spirits are associated to the humans five senses, which can also be found in most animals, yet in higher functions animals where worship and wisdom play a spirit function, can be associated to reasoning through experiencing a combination of all of the below. So, why is it that everything that is found in the Urantia Book must be literally defined as written. That’s a lot of words that are repeated over and over again which literally cannot be proved because spirit cannot be seen. Definitely not logical.
Participant nelsong wrote: is it the mind that makes the contact with the Spirit of Wisdom?
The brain responds to mind ministry. Mind over matter. As the capacity of the brain increases, contact with higher and higher adjutants is facilitated.
58:6.7 The physiologic equipment and the anatomic structure of all new orders of life are in response to the action of physical law, but the subsequent endowment of mind is a bestowal of the adjutantmind-spirits in accordance with innate brain capacity. Mind, while not a physical evolution, is wholly dependent on the brain capacity afforded by purely physical and evolutionary developments.
How can the UB quote above relate to the human, when it is taken from and associated to something unrelated to humans, were the previous quote and following quote relate as follows:
(669.7) 58:6.6 Study of the rock-embraced fossils of marine life reveals the early adjustment struggles of these primitive organisms. Plants and animals never cease to make these adjustment experiments. Ever the environment is changing, and always are living organisms striving to accommodate themselves to these never-ending fluctuations.
(670.1) 58:6.7 The physiologic equipment and the anatomic structure of all new orders of life are in response to the action of physical law, but the subsequent endowment of mind is a bestowal of the adjutant mind-spirits in accordance with innate brain capacity. Mind, while not a physical evolution, is wholly dependent on the brain capacity afforded by purely physical and evolutionary developments.
(670.2) 58:6.8 Through almost endless cycles of gains and losses, adjustments and readjustments, all living organisms swing back and forth from age to age. Those that attain cosmic unity persist, while those that fall short of this goal cease to exist.
The last quote sounds a little like Darwinian Theory to me.
Brain capacity, intellect. The physical is responsive to the mind circuits and the mind circuits are responsive to the spiritual circuits. That’s the way the universe works.
42:12.15 Mind universally dominates matter, even as it is in turn responsive to the ultimate overcontrol of spirit.
Even if this is the way the universe works, why did you not add the remainder of the UB quote:
(484.3) 42:12.15 Mind universally dominates matter, even as it is in turn responsive to the ultimate overcontrol of spirit. And with mortal man, only that mind which freely submits itself to the spirit direction can hope to survive the mortal time-space existence as an immortal child of the eternal spirit world of the Supreme, the Ultimate, and the Absolute: the Infinite.
So, if a mortal human, is it only the mind, “which freely submits itself” to which “spirit direction”, and what does that have to do with “Brain capacity, intellect”?
And, how would that human mind know how it “freely submits itself” if “spirit” is directing, where if it has to be a free will choice, then between what the spirit directs is correct or not correct, which other spirit will then present the other option? Does this mean that the spirit that is talking in the mind, or is it a feeling like spirit, or urge?
Has anyone actually tried to figure out how many “spirits” are influencing or adjusting or just keeping the human mind working, normally.
They all work as one and it is up to the personality to keep it working normally. Mind is unity and personality is the unifier.
So, if there are all these spirits that make up all the decision making that goes on in a human mind, why go to all the trouble to focus on all these different functions.
They don’t make the decisions, the personality makes decisions. The power of free-will choice resides with the personality.
The first five of these adjutant spirits are associated to the humans five senses . . .
Humans have 12 senses.
How can the UB quote above relate to the human . . .
Because of the quote says that the bestowal of adjutant mind-spirits is in accordance with innate brain capacity. As humans evolved from animals, their brain capacity increased thereby according a greater capability for contact with the adjutants.
So, if a mortal human, is it only the mind, “which freely submits itself” to which “spirit direction”, and what does that have to do with “Brain capacity, intellect”?
The mortal human is not only the mind.
The quote in question is establishing the fact that mind dominates matter and spirit dominates mind. Mind is always competent to produce a body for a living creature (42:12.9; 42:12.11). If mind did not dominate matter, how could that happen?
And, how would that human mind know how it “freely submits itself” if “spirit” is directing, where if it has to be a free will choice, then between what the spirit directs is correct or not correct, which other spirit will then present the other option?
The spirit influences work as one in the human mind. They do not contend with one another. If there is a war in your mind, then you are trying to serve two gods: the true God and the other imaginary god who is just your meager little self. [This does not pertain to people with schizophrenia, however. Those people have real chemical problems in their brains which prevent them from unifying their thoughts. Many of them are at constant war with the voices in their head.]
Does this mean that the spirit that is talking in the mind, or is it a feeling like spirit, or urge?
God will try to communicate with you in many different ways and he does this CONSTANTLY. The key is to learn to feel the presence of God and not worry so much about the words or urges.
110:1.1 And indirectly and unrecognized the Adjuster is constantly communicating with the human subject, especially during those sublime experiences of the worshipful contact of mind with spirit in the superconsciousness.
155:6.12 It is not so important that you should know about the fact of God as that you should increasingly grow in the ability to feel the presence of God.
On feeling the presence of God:
this idea always fascinates me.
am I really feeling or imagining. Not imagining in a whimsical sense but more in the sense of trying to correlate with an infinite presence . We really have no physical way to do this. Mind must play a roll somehow, it can’t be our brains but we feel his presence so our brains are a part of it. Paradox to me
what we feel and what is real can be deceiving to me – who’s to say these sensations are not the presence of the Supreme?? Someone who our brains can potentially latch onto??
nelsong wrote: . . . who’s to say these sensations are not the presence of the Supreme?? Someone who our brains can potentially latch onto??You’ll never be able know anyone as well as you know God who lives within you. And that’s just a fact. Of course it will seem imaginary at first, that’s called the alter ego. In time, with effort, sincere prayer and by always sharing the inner life with him, you will come to know without a doubt whose presence it is. And that is because of the reality of it all. His reality cannot be denied without denying your own reality.
16:9.4 Human self-consciousness implies the recognition of the reality of selves other than the conscious self and further implies that such awareness is mutual; that the self is known as it knows. This is shown in a purely human manner in man’s social life. But you cannot become so absolutely certain of a fellow being’s reality as you can of the reality of the presence of God that lives within you. The social consciousness is not inalienable like the God-consciousness; it is a cultural development and is dependent on knowledge, symbols, and the contributions of the constitutive endowments of man—science, morality, and religion. And these cosmic gifts, socialized, constitute civilization.
ButIf you have trouble with the alter ego approach, then use the “mind of Jesus”. He is in you as a revelation of God’s nature. In fact, you can’t know one without the other. Should I start a thread on God-consciousness, or feeling the presence of God?
p553:07 If your own mind does not serve you well, you can exchange it for the mind of Jesus of Nazareth, who always serves you well.
I suppose That one could make the distinction where it is our spiritual nature that reaches out to recognize and worship the Father and it is more our intellectual nature that embraces the Supreme??
Humans have 12 senses.
Yes Bonita, I’m aware of where it indicates this:
(564.5) 49:4.3 The average special physical-sense endowment of human beings is twelve, though the special senses of the three-brained mortals are extended slightly beyond those of the one- and two-brained types; they can see and hear considerably more than the Urantia races.
But, there are five basic senses which, I’m sure that each one of these can be enhanced or augmented, like sight being one but some individuals can see much more than the average person, but in the quote above it states “average special physical-sense”, where if “physical-sense” would not include spirit-senses. So if these are physical senses, what are they, and would they be given a name, like sixth-sense, but wouldn’t that be a spirit-sense?
It is one thing to state that a human has twelve senses but another to not identify them, and also to indicate that these twelve are the average and special, which would indicate that there are more, where it does state that different being throughout the universe can have as many as 210.
So what are these twelve senses, or should we just believe that they are and take it from there?
p553:07 If your own mind does not serve you well, you can exchange it for the mind of Jesus of Nazareth, who always serves you well.
Granted, that’s what the quote says:
(553.7) 48:6.26 Even on Urantia, these seraphim teach the everlasting truth: If your own mind does not serve you well, you can exchange it for the mind of Jesus of Nazareth, who always serves you well.
But as written, and given the colon (:), would this not be what the “seraphim teach”, and if this is what they teach, how would one know how to “exchange” one mind for another, without a seraphim teaching one how to do this? And then, how would one know that they were using the “mind of Jesus”, once this is done?
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