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A quote to consider:
(1280.3) 117:2.3 Consider the status of the creature-trinitized sons: They are born and live in the present universe age; they have personalities, together with mind and spirit endowments. They have experiences and the memory thereof, but they do not grow as do ascenders. It is our belief and understanding that these creature-trinitized sons, while they are in the present universe age, are really of the next universe age — the age which will follow the completion of the growth of the Supreme. Hence they are not in the Supreme as of his present status of incompleteness and consequent growth. Thus they are nonparticipating in the experiential growth of the present universe age, being held in reserve for the next universe age.
You should have kept on reading, Bonita. This is what you missed out on…22:7.4 The ascendant Adjuster-fused mortal finaliters who have attained certain levels of Paradise culture and spiritual development are among those who can essay to trinitize a creature being.Again, and as Bradly grudgingly admits (smiles at Bradly), they are trinitizing beings that already exist; they are transforming these beings into a “new being.”Yup, here’s another quote that states a brand spanking new critter is the result of creature-trinitization. Did I already post this quote? Can’t remember. Old-timers disease has set in.
22:7.2 Aside from the Deities, only Paradise-Havona personalities and certain members of each of the finaliter corps engage in trinitization. Under specialized conditions of Paradise perfection, these superb beings may embark upon the unique adventure of concept-identity, and they are many times successful in the production of a new being, a creature-trinitized son.
BB
These particular creature-trinitized sons are not mortals. They are of other origins.A quote to consider:
(1280.3) 117:2.3 Consider the status of the creature-trinitized sons: They are born and live in the present universe age; they have personalities, together with mind and spirit endowments. They have experiences and the memory thereof, but they do not grow as do ascenders. It is our belief and understanding that these creature-trinitized sons, while they are in the present universe age, are really of the next universe age — the age which will follow the completion of the growth of the Supreme. Hence they are not in the Supreme as of his present status of incompleteness and consequent growth. Thus they are nonparticipating in the experiential growth of the present universe age, being held in reserve for the next universe age.
BB
There are trinity origin beings and trinitized beings. Those who are trinitized, for example, mortals, apply the technique of trinitization to achieve this state. However, we have yet to satisfactorily address the revelator’s statement on celestial guardians never having been Adjuster indwelt (perhaps infused is what is meant). I find that problematic as there is no direct explanation why mortals are included. The only logical explanation I can come up with is that the previous life is stricken from the records once transformation occurs.
I already addressed that BB. They are brand spanking new critters. They had no previous life to strike out of the records, and they would never have had Adjusters . . . because they were never alive before.
You should have kept on reading, Bonita. This is what you missed out on… 22:7.4 The ascendant Adjuster-fused mortal finaliters who have attained certain levels of Paradise culture and spiritual development are among those who can essay to trinitize a creature being.
How do you suppose you essay to trinitize? I think it means to try to create an new creature through the technique of creature-trinitization. Here’s the quote again:
22:7.2 Aside from the Deities, only Paradise-Havona personalities and certain members of each of the finaliter corps engage in trinitization. Under specialized conditions of Paradise perfection, these superb beings may embark upon the unique adventure of concept-identity, and they are many times successful in the production of a new being, a creature-trinitized son.
Use of the word progeny means a descendant, an entirely separate personality from the parents. Creature-trinitized sons are the product of liaisons.
22:8.1 In addition to the creature-trinitized sons considered in this narrative, there are numerous unrevealed orders of creature-trinitized beings – the diverse progeny of the multiple liaisons of seven finaliter corps and Paradise-Havona personalities. But all these creature-trinitized beings, revealed and unrevealed, are endowed with personality by the Universal Father.
The quote you use illustrates that these beings already existed and underwent trinitization applied by Adjuster fused Finaliters and their Paradise partners. These trinitized beings are new beings post trinitization; they put away the old man, so to speak. You cannot trinitize a being and expect a literally new creation. It’s like an oxymoron. How do you expect a literally new creation when you are trinitizing someone who already exists?You should have kept on reading, Bonita. This is what you missed out on… 22:7.4 The ascendant Adjuster-fused mortal finaliters who have attained certain levels of Paradise culture and spiritual development are among those who can essay to trinitize a creature being.
How do you suppose you essay to trinitize? I think it means to try to create an new creature through the technique of creature-trinitization. Here’s the quote again:
22:7.2 Aside from the Deities, only Paradise-Havona personalities and certain members of each of the finaliter corps engage in trinitization. Under specialized conditions of Paradise perfection, these superb beings may embark upon the unique adventure of concept-identity, and they are many times successful in the production of a new being, a creature-trinitized son.
BB
Trinity origin beings would fit your description of a literally new creature. Trinitized beings are beings who already existed but underwent the trinitization process. Two different animals.- Trinity origin beings
- Trinitized beings
Use of the word progeny means a descendant, an entirely separate personality from the parents. Creature-trinitized sons are the product of liaisons.
22:8.1 In addition to the creature-trinitized sons considered in this narrative, there are numerous unrevealed orders of creature-trinitized beings – the diverse progeny of the multiple liaisons of seven finaliter corps and Paradise-Havona personalities. But all these creature-trinitized beings, revealed and unrevealed, are endowed with personality by the Universal Father.
BB
Here they call a brand spanking new personality born by the technique of creature-trinitization performed by two parents (finaliter and Paradise Citizen) a “child of time and eternity”.
23:4.3 When a finaliter and a Paradise Citizen co-operate in the trinitization of a “child of time and eternity” – a transaction involving the unrevealed mind potentials of the Supreme-Ultimate – and when such an unclassified personality is dispatched to Vicegerington, a Solitary Messenger (a conjectured personality repercussion of the bestowal of such deity mind) is always assigned as guardian-companion to such a creature-trinitized son. This messenger accompanies the new son of destiny to the world of his assignment and nevermore leaves Vicegerington. When thus attached to the destinies of a child of time and eternity, a Solitary Messenger is forever transferred to the sole supervision of the Architects of the Master Universe. What the future of such an extraordinary association may be, we do not know. For ages these partnerships of unique personalities have continued to forgather on Vicegerington, but not even a single pair has ever gone forth therefrom.
Those who are trinitized, for example, mortals, apply the technique of trinitization to achieve this state.
It’s the birth of an entirely new being and the parents enjoy a state of bi-unification. There are three beings involved in creature-trinitization: two parents and an offspring. I already supplied the quotes, which are: 22:7.7-9.
But you keep making my point when you reference these revelations. Even here it is telling you that these “new beings” are a child drawn from “time and eternity.” They are not new beings in the literal sense as they already exist. These are mortals who reach a certain level in the universe and then qualify to be transformed or trinitized by a Finaliter and Paradise Citizen.Here they call a brand spanking new personality born by the technique of creature-trinitization performed by two parents (finaliter and Paradise Citizen) a “child of time and eternity”.
23:4.3 When a finaliter and a Paradise Citizen co-operate in the trinitization of a “child of time and eternity” – a transaction involving the unrevealed mind potentials of the Supreme-Ultimate – and when such an unclassified personality is dispatched to Vicegerington, a Solitary Messenger (a conjectured personality repercussion of the bestowal of such deity mind) is always assigned as guardian-companion to such a creature-trinitized son. This messenger accompanies the new son of destiny to the world of his assignment and nevermore leaves Vicegerington. When thus attached to the destinies of a child of time and eternity, a Solitary Messenger is forever transferred to the sole supervision of the Architects of the Master Universe. What the future of such an extraordinary association may be, we do not know. For ages these partnerships of unique personalities have continued to forgather on Vicegerington, but not even a single pair has ever gone forth therefrom.
BB
You are supplying quotes that don’t even support what you are saying. In fact, they contradict you.Those who are trinitized, for example, mortals, apply the technique of trinitization to achieve this state.
It’s the birth of an entirely new being and the parents enjoy a state of bi-unification. There are three beings involved in creature-trinitization: two parents and an offspring. I already supplied the quotes, which are: 22:7.7-9.
BB
There are trinity origin beings and trinitized beings. Those who are trinitized, for example, mortals, apply the technique of trinitization to achieve this state. However, we have yet to satisfactorily address the revelator’s statement on celestial guardians never having been Adjuster indwelt (perhaps infused is what is meant). I find that problematic as there is no direct explanation why mortals are included. The only logical explanation I can come up with is that the previous life is stricken from the records once transformation occurs.
BB, what I have found problematic, is in some of the wording found in the UB, where to take your query above a little further where you indicate “celestial guardians” would also imply with “guardian” angelic in nature. In the following UB quotes I found the phrase “men and angels” as curious where if one were to mean “man and angels” then it would be inclusive of “man” being human or man kind in general but when indicated as “men and angel” implies gender specific.
(430.1) 39:2.5 2. The Voice of Mercy. Mercy is the keynote of seraphic service and angelic ministry. It is therefore fitting that there should be a corps of angels who, in a special manner, portray mercy. These seraphim are the real mercy ministers of the local universes. They are the inspired leaders who foster the higher impulses and holier emotions of men and angels. The directors of these legions are now always completion seraphim who are also graduate guardians of mortal destiny; that is, each angelic pair has guided at least one soul of animal origin during the life in the flesh and has subsequently traversed the circles of Seraphington and has been mustered into the Seraphic Corps of Completion.
Above it uses “men and angels” and also indicates that angels also have “emotions” where in the next quote(s), both “man” and “men” is used which indicates a possible difference?
(1248.6) 113:7.6 Man and angel may or may not be reunited in eternal service, but wherever seraphic assignment may take them, the seraphim are always in communication with their former wards of the evolutionary worlds, the ascendant mortals of time. The intimate associations and the affectionate attachments of the realms of human origin are never forgotten nor ever completely severed. In the eternal ages men and angels will co-operate in the divine service as they did in the career of time.
(1249.1) 113:7.7 For seraphim, the surest way of achieving the Paradise Deities is by successfully guiding a soul of evolutionary origin to the portals of Paradise. Therefore is the assignment of guardian of destiny the most highly prized seraphic duty.
(1249.2) 113:7.8 Only destiny guardians are mustered into the primary or mortal Corps of the Finality, and such pairs have engaged in the supreme adventure of identity at-oneness; the two beings have achieved spiritual bi-unification on Seraphington prior to their reception into the finaliter corps. In this experience the two angelic natures, so complemental in all universe functions, achieve ultimate spirit two-in-oneness, repercussing in a new capacity for the reception of, and fusion with, a non-Adjuster fragment of the Paradise Father. And so do some of your loving seraphic associates in so become your finaliter associates in eternity, children of the Supreme and perfected sons of the Paradise Father.
One might consider that if “men and angels” is a gender reference it might indicate that, where “angels” is considered feminine that woman could be considered as angelic.
There are some text found elsewhere, specifically in the American Indian Creation stories, that have indicated that men and women had separated at one point in time and that later they found that they could not exist one without the other, so it might indicate that the implication in the UB that men had oppressed women, as is still in some cases an issue, that the joining between men and women, as compliments one to another may be significant to what is implied by the use of “men and angles” as referred to in the UB.
Therefore, the indication of the trinitization of some beings may indicate that it may also be gender specific and that “guardian” may imply a union between men and angel? When one receives a personal guardian of destiny, could this also refer to a method of trinitization?
You are supplying quotes that don’t even support what you are saying. In fact, they contradict you.
Where’s the contradiction? Both Bradly and I understand it. And I thank him for pointing out that very important word “offspring”.
I know you want to think of a new being as an old being that has been transformed, but that’s not what they are saying. It’s a separate personality altogether. A transformed person has the same personality since personalities never change. Quote 22:7.7 states that there are TWO ancestors (parents) of a creature-trinitized son. If this new son is just a transformation, which of the two personalities does he keep? He can’t keep both. In quote 22:7.9 it clearly states that both of the parents of this new creature-trinitized son maintain their own separate personalities. Since all personality is unique, how can an offspring take one or the other of its parents’ personality? Can’t be done.
You should have kept on reading, Bonita. This is what you missed out on…22:7.4 The ascendant Adjuster-fused mortal finaliters who have attained certain levels of Paradise culture and spiritual development are among those who can essay to trinitize a creature being.Again, and as Bradly grudgingly admits (smiles at Bradly), they are trinitizing beings that already exist; they are transforming these beings into a “new being.”Yup, here’s another quote that states a brand spanking new critter is the result of creature-trinitization. Did I already post this quote? Can’t remember. Old-timers disease has set in.
22:7.2 Aside from the Deities, only Paradise-Havona personalities and certain members of each of the finaliter corps engage in trinitization. Under specialized conditions of Paradise perfection, these superb beings may embark upon the unique adventure of concept-identity, and they are many times successful in the production of a new being, a creature-trinitized son.
Sorry BB but you misunderstand me…and trinitization…and I find no contradiction within Bonita’s posts or text. Finaliters are Trinity Embraced….we finaliters are embraced by the Trinity (such ones would be transformed by the process). Guardians (and others) are Creature Trinitized and are created by a non-sexual liaison by Trinitized Creatures….they are new beings created by trinitized creatures. Like I said before, think of how midwayers come to be.
There’s an attempt here to homogenize all trinitization and that’s not what’s being described at all. Bonita’s post indicates these Guardians will accompany finaliters to the outer levels once the Supreme is completed by the current time and space experiential perfecting adventure.
Deity trinitized Sons are created by Deity trinitization. Finaliters already exist but once embraced by Trinity (trinitization), they too may cocreate and procreate….the Guardians are one such form described as being created by such procreation by those in the Corps of Finality who have been Trinity embraced. I think the text is clear enough and describes an exciting potential for Agondonters especially!!
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