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    Bonita
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    Moral judgment and spiritual reason are manifestations of the higher mind adjutants. Jesus calls an aggressor functioning without these adjutants a “creature”, which suggests that the person is functioning at an subhuman level, since “sonship” requires the capacity for the functioning of the higher adjutants. Whether this means that some individuals are genetically incapable of it or that they have refused to develop it, I don’t know.

    What is sonship, one might ask? Sonship is the capacity to recognize personality ancestry in the Fathership of God.  Surely, sonship cannot exist without fathership.  In order to recognize the Father, one must be indwelt with the presence of Deity.  The Holy Spirit gives us the ability to recognize our Deity parentage, consciously or unconsciously (34:5.4), and the faith-fact of sonship (34:5.7).  The Holy Spirit is present within the minds of those individuals who have made contact with all seven adjutants (110:6.13)

    Summarizing the quote below, we are all entitled to be called faith-sons of God because a Creator Son, our elder brother, became one of us and left us with his Spirit of Truth which enables us all to receive a fragment of God the Father himself – a true parental inheritance.

    40:6.3-8  All evolutionary worlds of mortal habitation harbor these faith sons of God, sons of grace and mercy, mortal beings belonging to the divine family and accordingly called the sons of God. Urantia mortals are entitled to regard themselves as being the sons of God because:

    1. You are sons of spiritual promise, faith sons; you have accepted the status of sonship. You believe in the reality of your sonship, and thus does your sonship with God become eternally real.

    2. A Creator Son of God became one of you; he is your elder brother in fact; and if in spirit you become truly related brothers of Christ, the victorious Michael, then in spirit must you also be sons of that Father which you have in common—even the Universal Father of all.

    3. You are sons because the spirit of a Son has been poured out upon you, has been freely and certainly bestowed upon all Urantia races. This spirit ever draws you toward the divine Son, who is its source, and toward the Paradise Father, who is the source of that divine Son.

    4. Of his divine free-willness, the Universal Father has given you your creature personalities. You have been endowed with a measure of that divine spontaneity of freewill action which God shares with all who may become his sons.

    5. There dwells within you a fragment of the Universal Father, and you are thus directly related to the divine Father of all the Sons of God.

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    emanny3003
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    Moral judgment and spiritual reason are manifestations of the higher mind adjutants. Jesus calls an aggressor functioning without these adjutants a “creature”, which suggests that the person is functioning at an subhuman level, since “sonship” requires the capacity for the functioning of the higher adjutants. Whether this means that some individuals are genetically incapable of it or that they have refused to develop it, I don’t know.

    Does Gabriel of Salvington morally judge his brothers? Are any of his brothers in heaven subhuman? Why does Gabriel defend himself or take offense from brothers he knows to be faith-sons of God? The Creator Son is Gabriel’s creator as well as ours.

    We have TAs and can recognize the Father. Gabriel does not have a TA so he must recognize the Father in the Creator Son.

    #12679
    Bonita
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    Jesus also told us that we must judge our fellows by their deeds, whereas the God judges them by their intent (140:6.4).  What he means is that we shouldn’t judge the person, but we MUST judge a person’s behavior.

    How do you judge deeds and behavior, what are the criteria?  Some truly evil deeds and behavior are easy to recognize, others not so much.  Plus, there are cultural factors in play. Some behaviors and deeds are accepted in some cultures, but are wrong in others.  According to Jesus, even if you’re just angry with someone you’re in danger, presumably because anger generally expresses itself in evil behavior and deeds.

    140:6.4 Then said Simon Peter: “Master, if you have a new commandment, we would hear it. Reveal the new way to us.” Jesus answered Peter: “You have heard it said by those who teach the law: ‘You shall not kill; that whosoever kills shall be subject to judgment.’ But I look beyond the act to uncover the motive. I declare to you that every one who is angry with his brother is in danger of condemnation. He who nurses hatred in his heart and plans vengeance in his mind stands in danger of judgment. You must judge your fellows by their deeds; the Father in heaven judges by the intent.

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    emanny3003
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    Jesus also told us that we must judge our fellows by their deeds, whereas the God judges them by their intent (140:6.4). What he means is that we shouldn’t judge the person, but we MUST judge a person’s behavior.

    How do you judge deeds and behavior, what are the criteria? Some truly evil deeds and behavior are easy to recognize, others not so much. Plus, there are cultural factors in play. Some behaviors and deeds are accepted in some cultures, but are wrong in others. According to Jesus, even if you’re just angry with someone you’re in danger, presumably because anger generally expresses itself in evil behavior and deeds.

    140:6.4 Then said Simon Peter: “Master, if you have a new commandment, we would hear it. Reveal the new way to us.” Jesus answered Peter: “You have heard it said by those who teach the law: ‘You shall not kill; that whosoever kills shall be subject to judgment.’ But I look beyond the act to uncover the motive. I declare to you that every one who is angry with his brother is in danger of condemnation. He who nurses hatred in his heart and plans vengeance in his mind stands in danger of judgment. You must judge your fellows by their deeds; the Father in heaven judges by the intent.

    Indeed, I could not agree with you more, Bonita. That is why I fear for Gabriel for the anger I sense in the following quotes.

    53:8.4 The Son of Man was confident of success, and he knew that his triumph on your world would forever settle the status of his agelong enemies, not only in Satania but also in the other two systems where sin had entered. There was survival for mortals and security for angels when your Master, in reply to the Lucifer proposals, calmly and with divine assurance replied, “Get you behind me, Satan.” That was, in principle, the real end of the Lucifer rebellion. True, the Uversa tribunals have not yet rendered the executive decision regarding the appeal of Gabriel praying for the destruction of the rebels, but such a decree will, no doubt, be forthcoming in the fullness of time since the first step in the hearing of this case has already been taken.

    Praying for the destruction of the rebels is vengeance. Gabriel is not above judgement for this apparent anger.

    53:9.4Satan could come to Urantia because you had no Son of standing in residence—neither Planetary Prince nor Material Son. Machiventa Melchizedek has since been proclaimed vicegerent Planetary Prince of Urantia, and the opening of the case of Gabrielvs. Lucifer has signalized the inauguration of temporary planetary regimes on all the isolated worlds. It is true that Satan did periodically visit Caligastia and others of the fallen princes right up to the time of the presentation of these revelations. when there occurred the first hearing of Gabriel’s plea for the annihilation of the archrebels. Satan is now unqualifiedly detained on the Jerusem prison worlds.

    Gabriel’s plea for the annihilation of the archrebels is apparent anger that God only knows.

    Even of this anger is justified, there is danger of judgement.

    #12688
    Mara
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    That is why I fear for Gabriel for the anger I sense in the following quotes. [53:8.4;  53:9.4]

    Again, I think you are conflating two different orders of created being – Gabriel,  33:4:2 a being of wisdom and majesty brought forth by our Creator Son and Daughter Spirit – “a being like themselves and partaking freely of their combined natures but not of their creative prerogatives”, and, us finite mortals.  Your ideas about anger are misplaced.  Anger is a mental poison.

    Do you recall this:

    110:1:5    All physical poisons greatly retard the efforts of the Adjuster to exalt the material mind, while the mental poisons of fear, anger, envy, jealousy, suspicion, and intolerance likewise tremendously interfere with the spiritual progress of the evolving soul.
    It’s a mystery to me why you would attribute human emotion – anger- to Gabriel.  What is anger?  Jesus said this:
    149:4:2   “Anger is a material manifestation which represents, in a general way, the measure of the failure of the spiritual nature to gain control of the combined intellectual and physical natures. Anger indicates your lack of tolerant brotherly love plus your lack of self-respect and self-control. Anger depletes the health, debases the mind, and handicaps the spirit teacher of man’s soul. Have you not read in the Scriptures that ‘wrath kills the foolish man,’ and that man ‘tears himself in his anger‘? That ‘he who is slow of wrath is of great understanding,’ while ‘he who is hasty of temper exalts folly’? You all know that ‘a soft answer turns away wrath,’ and how ‘grievous words stir up anger.’ ‘Discretion defers anger,’ while ‘he who has no control over his own self is like a defenseless city without walls.’ ‘Wrath is cruel and anger is outrageous.’ ‘Angry men stir up strife, while the furious multiply their transgressions.’ ‘Be not hasty in spirit, for anger rests in the bosom of fools.’” Before Jesus ceased speaking, he said further: “Let your hearts be so dominated by love that your spirit guide will have little trouble in delivering you from the tendency to give vent to those outbursts of animal anger which are inconsistent with the status of divine sonship.”
    #12691
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    emanny3003
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    Your ideas about anger are misplaced.  Anger is a mental poison.

    Yes. Anger is a mental poison. Are lowly humans the only ones capable of anger? Anyone with a mind is at risk.

    At which order of being is anger no longer able to enter a mind? We are told that God is not angry or wrathful but how far down do we go until anger is a possibility? Does wisdom and majesty preclude anger?

    My best guess is that parental sensibilities is a safeguard against the kind of anger that is wrathful. Somehow, we can strike out at a brother but are not quick against a son or daughter. Cain killed Abel and Eve forgave Cain.

    110:1:5    All physical poisons greatly retard the efforts of the Adjuster to exalt the material mind, while the mental poisons of fear, anger, envy, jealousy, suspicion, and intolerance likewise tremendously interfere with the spiritual progress of the evolving soul.

    Gabriel has no Adjuster. Gabriel is a father to no one.

    149:4:2   “Anger is a material manifestation which represents, in a general way, the measure of the failure of the spiritual nature to gain control of the combined intellectual and physical natures. Anger indicates your lack of tolerant brotherly love plus your lack of self-respect and self-control. Anger depletes the health, debases the mind, and handicaps the spirit teacher of man’s soul. Have you not read in the Scriptures that ‘wrath kills the foolish man,’ and that man ‘tears himself in his anger‘? That ‘he who is slow of wrath is of great understanding,’ while ‘he who is hasty of temper exalts folly’? You all know that ‘a soft answer turns away wrath,’ and how ‘grievous words stir up anger.’ ‘Discretion defers anger,’ while ‘he who has no control over his own self is like a defenseless city without walls.’ ‘Wrath is cruel and anger is outrageous.’ ‘Angry men stir up strife, while the furious multiply their transgressions.’ ‘Be not hasty in spirit, for anger rests in the bosom of fools.’” Before Jesus ceased speaking, he said further: “Let your hearts be so dominated by love that your spirit guide will have little trouble in delivering you from the tendency to give vent to those outbursts of animal anger which are inconsistent with the status of divine sonship.”

    Jesus spoke these words as Michael to an entire Universe of all Local universe orders of beings. He spoke as Michael, Sovereign of Nebadon. He stuck around for some time after technically completing his bestowal. He spoke to all of his flock in a vast universe.

    Michael well knew that Gabriel had plans to prosecute the rebels and showed his concern in many things that he admonished the Apostles for. “Judge not…”, the parable of the prodigal son, and the statement above (149:4.2) regarding anger and wrath.

    Anger is the failure of the spiritual nature. Anger is inconsistent with the status of divine sonship. Although inconsistent with divine sonship, anger is the failure of the spiritual nature, and none of the divine sons are totally escaping of it. It is a mystery to me that you place the celestials on such high pedestals that they somehow cannot experience anger. Jesus was to experience anger as part of being human. He overcame it in his spiritual nature. But it served Michael to recognize anger in his children. Gabriel is Michael’s first born. In Gabriel, Michael recognized the disdain he had for the rebels and the eagerness he displayed for their eventual annihilation. Michael’s concern for his first born was real and touching.

    #12696
    Mara
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    emanny3003 wrote:  At which order of being is anger no longer able to enter a mind?
    Have you read this:
    “Do you not know it is from the heart that there come forth evil thoughts, wicked projects of murder, theft, and adulteries, together with jealousy, pride, anger, revenge, railings, and false witness? And it is just such things that defile men . . . .” 153:3:5
    Anger, among other things, defiles men.  Fortunately, anger isn’t a terminal problem. A soft answer turns away wrath.  Wrath kills the foolish man.  Old Testament, but cogent.  Anger is like a stone hurled into a hornet’s nest.
    But iniquity?
    The very conflicting presence of truth and untruth, fact and falsehood, constitutes the potentiality of error. The deliberate choice of evil constitutes sin; the willful rejection of truth is error; the persistent pursuit of sin and error is iniquity. 54:0:2
    Error suggests lack of intellectual keenness; evil, deficiency of wisdom; sin, abject spiritual poverty; but iniquity is indicative of vanishing personality control.    67:1:5

    The greatest punishment (in reality an inevitable consequence) for wrongdoing and deliberate rebellion against the government of God is loss of existence as an individual subject of that government. The final result of wholehearted sin is annihilation. In the last analysis, such sin-identified individuals have destroyed themselves by becoming wholly unreal through their embrace of iniquity. The factual disappearance of such a creature is, however, always delayed until the ordained order of justice current in that universe has been fully complied with. 2:3:2

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    emanny3003
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    (36.7) 2:3.2

    How futile to make puerile appeals

    to such a God to modify his changeless decrees so that we can avoid the just consequences of the operation of his wise natural laws and righteous spiritual mandates!

    “Be not deceived; God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap.”

    53:8.4 The Son of Man was confident of success, and he knew that his triumph on your world would forever settle the status of his agelong enemies, not only in Satania but also in the other two systems where sin had entered. There was survival for mortals and security for angels when your Master, in reply to the Lucifer proposals, calmly and with divine assurance replied, “Get you behind me, Satan.” That was, in principle, the real end of the Lucifer rebellion. True, the Uversa tribunals have not yet rendered the executive decision regarding

    >the appeal of Gabriel praying for the destruction

    of the rebels, but such a decree will, no doubt, be forthcoming in the fullness of time since the first step in the hearing of this case has already been taken.

    53:9.4Satan could come to Urantia because you had no Son of standing in residence—neither Planetary Prince nor Material Son. Machiventa Melchizedek has since been proclaimed vicegerent Planetary Prince of Urantia, and the opening of the case of Gabrielvs. Lucifer has signalized the inauguration of temporary planetary regimes on all the isolated worlds. It is true that Satan did periodically visit Caligastia and others of the fallen princes right up to the time of the presentation of these revelations. when there occurred the first hearing of

    Gabriel’s plea for the annihilation

    of the archrebels. Satan is now unqualifiedly detained on the Jerusem prison worlds.

    #12705
    Bradly
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    That is why I fear for Gabriel for the anger I sense in the following quotes….

     

    Not getting the anger or hate angle here at all.  Nor the mistrust of universe administration and its multi-dimensional approach to fairness, mercy, and justice.  The Divine Counselor is the final determiner of truth, intent, loyalty, and capacity for mercy reception, not Gabriel.  And Gabriel followed protocol as this was not the first “rodeo” of rebellion, even in Nebadon – Michael’s second bestowal was also during a system rebellion…so there is a form of standardized procedure for such responses.  As to a swift response by an angry Gabriel or “mob” mentality:

    (604.3) 53:4.1 The Lucifer manifesto was issued at the annual conclave of Satania on the sea of glass, in the presence of the assembled hosts of Jerusem, on the last day of the year, about two hundred thousand years ago, Urantia time. Satan proclaimed that worship could be accorded the universal forces — physical, intellectual, and spiritual — but that allegiance could be acknowledged only to the actual and present ruler, Lucifer, the “friend of men and angels” and the “God of liberty.”

    (605.1) 53:4.4 While there had been two previous rebellions in Nebadon, they were in distant constellations. Lucifer held that these insurrections were unsuccessful because the majority of the intelligences failed to follow their leaders. He contended that “majorities rule,” that “mind is infallible.” The freedom allowed him by the universe rulers apparently sustained many of his nefarious contentions. He defied all his superiors; yet they apparently took no note of his doings. He was given a free hand to prosecute his seductive plan without let or hindrance.

    (605.2) 53:4.5 All the merciful delays of justice Lucifer pointed to as evidence of the inability of the government of the Paradise Sons to stop the rebellion. He would openly defy and arrogantly challenge Michael, Immanuel, and the Ancients of Days and then point to the fact that no action ensued as positive evidence of the impotency of the universe and the superuniverse governments.

    (605.3) 53:4.6 Gabriel was personally present throughout all these disloyal proceedings and only announced that he would, in due time, speak for Michael, and that all beings would be left free and unmolested in their choice; that the “government of the Sons for the Father desired only that loyalty and devotion which was voluntary, wholehearted, and sophistry-proof.”

    (605.4) 53:4.7 Lucifer was permitted fully to establish and thoroughly to organize his rebel government before Gabriel made any effort to contest the right of secession or to counterwork the rebel propaganda. But the Constellation Fathers immediately confined the action of these disloyal personalities to the system of Satania. Nevertheless, this period of delay was a time of great trial and testing to the loyal beings of all Satania. All was chaotic for a few years, and there was great confusion on the mansion worlds.

     

    After this initial period of patience and forbearance, only Lucifer “administrative” authority was removed and by due process and not by Gabriel.  Gabriel acted on behalf of Michael and all others in authority and did nothing rash or hateful.  This distrust by you of Divinely organized and managed administrative response to rebellion just seems so blind and arrogant considering how calm and even handed and patient the response.  Gabriel seems only to have acted with great wisdom….and it is his position to appeal for all administrative and judicial remedies as are available to him in the situation, and again, not a new situation at all, but the third for him (at least).  To me it is dangerous to doubt and fear our very safety and the motives and behaviors of our celestial friends who live to serve Universe Reality.

     

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    Not getting the anger or hate angle here at all.  Nor the mistrust of universe administration and its multi-dimensional approach to fairness, mercy, and justice.

    I refer you to my last post in “Loyalty”. You are not getting the anger angle because you have placed Gabriel above anger. I most certainly trust the safeguard mechanisms of the Universe administrations because they effectively curtailed Gabriel’s attempted hasty action against the rebels at the start of the rebellion.

    Gabriel seems only to have acted with great wisdom….

    If you read carefully you will see that Gabriel attempted to unwisely act when Michael stood aloof, as advised by Immanuel. Gabriel went against the wisdom of Michael and Immanuel in his disloyalty to them. The fact that Gabriel acted at all is evidence of his disloyalty. Wisdom would have mandated INACTION, as Michael and Immanuel advised.

    #12713
    Bradly
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    What “hasty” action?  He calmly stood by for YEARS while allowing loyalties to be self determined by each.  The removal of administrative authority from Lucifer was not by Gabriel, not the isolation or quarantine either.  Nothing rash or personal or summary about it.  Your fears are well demonstrated but not at all substantiated.  I find such suspicion of Gabriel misplaced as well as your fears.

    #12714
    Bradly
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    If you read carefully you will see that Gabriel attempted to unwisely act when Michael stood aloof, as advised by Immanuel. Gabriel went against the wisdom of Michael and Immanuel in his disloyalty to them. The fact that Gabriel acted at all is evidence of his disloyalty. Wisdom would have mandated INACTION, as Michael and Immanuel advised.

     

    Your interpretation is up to you….but your claim that Gabriel is disloyal to Michael and acted against his wishes is absurd to me and according to the same text.  You accuse Gabriel, not the UB.  Dangerous stuff, such fears and anxieties and distrust, dangerous.  This says otherwise about Gabriel’s standing and full authority and patience and forbearance:

    (605.3) 53:4.6 Gabriel was personally present throughout all these disloyal proceedings and only announced that he would, in due time, speak for Michael, and that all beings would be left free and unmolested in their choice; that the “government of the Sons for the Father desired only that loyalty and devotion which was voluntary, wholehearted, and sophistry-proof.”

    #12717
    Bonita
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    Mara wrote:  It’s a mystery to me why you would attribute human emotion – anger- to Gabriel.

    BINGO! and SPOT ON!!

    Anger is an animal emotion.  The Bright and Morning Star is not of animal origin.  He is of divine origin and is therefore only capable of divine emotions.  What are divine emotions? They are:

    Loving service, unselfish devotion, courageous loyalty, sincere fairness, enlightened honesty, confiding trust, merciful ministry, unfailing goodness, forgiving tolerance, enduring peace, love, joy, long suffering, gentleness, faith, meekness and temperance.

     

    #12720
    Bonita
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    Bradly wrote: Gabriel seems only to have acted with great wisdom . . .
    Amen to that.  Not only great wisdom, but divine wisdom.  Gabriel is of singular majesty and wisdom.
    33:4.2  Only one such being of wisdom and majesty is brought forth in each local universe.
    #12721
    Bonita
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    Bradly wrote: Your fears are well demonstrated but not at all substantiated.  I find such suspicion of Gabriel misplaced as well as your fears.

    And let us not forget that fear is an animal emotion and a mental poison (110:1.5).  Those who live in fear are mentally unbalanced and animalistic because it leads to “anger, envy, jealousy, suspicion, and intolerance”. Humans are the only ones who suffer from fear.  Not even angels, who are so very close to us, experience fear.

    113:2.5 The only emotion actuating you which is somewhat difficult for them to comprehend is the legacy of animal fear that bulks so large in the mental life of the average inhabitant of Urantia. The angels really find it hard to understand why you will so persistently allow your higher intellectual powers, even your religious faith, to be so dominated by fear, so thoroughly demoralized by the thoughtless panic of dread and anxiety.

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