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    @Vern, who wrote, “The Life Carriers have done their work, and stepped aside, it is up to the bright minds among us to take an active interest in ethically based eugenics for the betterment of mankind.”

    Wow, Vern, you sure are leap-frogging over the evolution of 900K years!  Whoa there, horsie! How about refreshing your memory with Paper 118….

    118:9.1 (1303.2) “Time and space are a conjoined mechanism of the master universe. They are the devices whereby finite creatures are enabled to coexist in the cosmos with the Infinite. Finite creatures are effectively insulated from the absolute levels by time and space. But these insulating media, without which no mortal could exist, operate directly to limit the range of finite action. Without them no creature could act, but by them the acts of every creature are definitely limited.

    118:9.2 (1303.3) Mechanisms produced by higher minds function to liberate their creative sources but to some degree unvaryingly limit the action of all subordinate intelligences. To the creatures of the universes this limitation becomes apparent as the mechanism of the universes. Man does not have unfettered free will; there are limits to his range of choice, but within the radius of this choice his will is relatively sovereign.

    118:9.3 (1303.4) The life mechanism of the mortal personality, the human body, is the product of supermortal creative design; therefore it can never be perfectly controlled by man himself. Only when ascending man, in liaison with the fused Adjuster, self-creates the mechanism for personality expression, will he achieve perfected control thereof.

    118:9.4 (1303.5) The grand universe is mechanism as well as organism, mechanical and living — a living mechanism activated by a Supreme Mind, co-ordinating with a Supreme Spirit, and finding expression on maximum levels of power and personality unification as the Supreme Being. But to deny the mechanism of the finite creation is to deny fact and to disregard reality.

    118:9.5 (1303.6) Mechanisms are the products of mind, creative mind acting on and in cosmic potentials. Mechanisms are the fixed crystallizations of Creator thought, and they ever function true to the volitional concept that gave them origin. But the purposiveness of any mechanism is in its origin, not in its function.”

    The PURPOSE of any mechanism is found in its ORIGIN, not in its function!

    I guess it takes a certain level of unfettered and humble human intelligence to appreciate that we have a bigger range of choice as regards our SPIRITUAL progress than we have in manipulating genes.

    Eugenics is a simple selection – not breeding with the “markedly unfit”, and practicing quarantine when fast moving plagues overtake current knowledge.

    Successful eugenics has quietly been practiced among peoples who chose not to reproduce out of kindness, love and mercy – not to hand over the hardship of ill health to progeny.

    How much of labor and enterprise should be poured into a chase for “cures” for something that would never exist to begin with if the “markedly unfit” is consistently eliminated?  Instead of more and more investment made into labs analyzing what the “pollution” is and how it is killing organic life forms

    and fewer and fewer people are benefiting from the polluting “product” – that psychotic shaman and his majik stick gizmo –

    such selfish and unfair investment by a minority can be re-directed into the gift of TIME for all of humanity to consider where they SPIRITUALLY want to go next!

    #16659
    Vern
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    Sabinatu wrote:  …The PURPOSE of any mechanism is found in its ORIGIN
    Yes Sabinatu, in a broad sense we all, “live breathe and have our being in God and to God we return.” Thanks for sharing the limitations by which we animal-origin mortals are constrained.
    This topic with its look at origins, was taking up the talking point presented in The Urantia Book that an effort to clear up the confusion of compounded errors resulting from partial knowledge of evolutionary history can be assisted by considering origin and destiny.
    The quotes are talking points.
    There are many references suggesting the wisdom of safeguarding the home as humanities supreme evolutionary acquirement.
    the home — man’s supreme evolutionary acquirement and civilization’s only hope of survival.[Paper84:8.6, page  943:1]
    The home is the cradle, from which the moral values of society spring, a loving nurturing place where the lessons of interacting with the emerging self assertions of diverse individuals is first experienced and integrated within a family framework which is then expanded to include those friendships formed within the greater community.

    The home is the natural social arena wherein the ethics of blood brotherhood may be grasped by the growing children. The family is the fundamental unit of fraternity in which parents and children learn those lessons of patience, altruism, tolerance, and forbearance which are so essential to the realization of brotherhood among all men[Paper84:7.28, page  941:9]

    The consultative “round the able” open discussion as practiced by Andites would be conducive to fostering mutual respect based on equality and fraternity, initially within the family dynamic, then spreading to social relations in general. This is an alternative to the traditional patriarchal model, now with the emancipated appreciation of gender equality, being seriously challenged.

    Human society would be greatly improved if the civilized races would more generally return to the family-council practices of the Andites. They did not maintain the patriarchal or autocratic form of family government. They were very brotherly and associative, freely and frankly discussing every proposal and regulation of a family nature. They were ideally fraternal in all their family government. In an ideal family filial and parental affection are both augmented by fraternal devotion.  [Paper84:7.29, page  941:10]

    From the family come the understandings of true morality arising from the necessity of adjustment to other and diverse personalities. parents attain the Creator viewpoint, children experience the first of a long series of disclosures of being loved.

    Family life is the progenitor of true morality, the ancestor of the consciousness of loyalty to duty. The enforced associations of family life stabilize personality and stimulate its growth through the compulsion of necessitous adjustment to other and diverse personalities. But even more, a true family — a good family — reveals to the parental procreators the attitude of the Creator to his children, while at the same time such true parents portray to their children the first of a long series of ascending disclosures of the love of the Paradise parent of all universe children.  [Paper84:7.30, page  942:1]

    #16676
    Vern
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    Sabinatu wrote:  Successful eugenics has quietly been practiced among peoples who chose not to reproduce out of kindness, love and mercy – not to hand over the hardship of ill health to progeny.
    Yes, those responsible choices are being made in synchrony with advances in solving hereditary diseases by scientific medical research.
    Consider also the reason why the revelatory commission chose to impress upon or minds the significance of eugenics.
    A quick search on the word “degenerate” resulted in 12 results with descriptive paragraphs either side of the one containing the term “degenerate” to provide context.
    Essentially the problem our world faces is the unfinished work of biologic improvement. On a normal inhabited world, evolutionary races are destined to be blended and exalted by amalgamation with the progeny of the Adamic uplifters. But before these peoples are blended, the inferior and unfit are largely eliminated. The Planetary Prince and the Material Son, with other suitable planetary authorities, pass upon the fitness of the reproducing strains. The difficulty of executing such a radical program on Urantia consists in the absence of competent judges to pass upon the biologic fitness or unfitness of the individuals of your world races.
    As I mentioned in my previous post, we have been provided with the extraordinary  account of the methods employed by the people of a nation state in a Neighbouring Planet. They too have a rebellion seared history and have managed to implement a practical solution to their own population in absence of Planetary Prince or Material Son to pass upon the fitness of the reproducing strains.
    We are told we should at least have the capacity to manage and regulate the most obvious instances of degeneracy.
    …Notwithstanding this obstacle, it seems that you ought to be able to agree upon the biologic disfellowshiping of your more markedly unfit, defective, degenerate, and antisocial stocks. [Paper 51:4.8, page  585:4]
    It’s wise to promote increase in the higher, while curtailing the lower, types of mortals.
    …the plan of promoting the increase of the higher types of mortals with proportionate curtailment of the lower. And it is the failure of your early peoples to thus discriminate between these types that accounts for the presence of so many defective and degenerate individuals among the present-day Urantia races. [Paper 52:2.9, page  592:2]
    We are informed, It is neither tenderness nor altruism to bestow futile sympathy upon degenerated human beings, unsalvable abnormal and inferior mortals.
    …There exist on even the most normal of the evolutionary worlds sufficient differences between individuals and between numerous social groups to provide for the full exercise of all those noble traits of altruistic sentiment and unselfish mortal ministry without perpetuating the socially unfit and the morally degenerate strains of evolving humanity. There is abundant opportunity for the exercise of tolerance and the function of altruism in behalf of those unfortunate and needy individuals who have not irretrievably lost their moral heritage and forever destroyed their spiritual birthright. [Paper 52:2.12, page  592:5]
    There will ever be problems while there is reproduction without restraint.
    …But poverty and dependence can never be eliminated if the defective and degenerate stocks are freely supported and permitted to reproduce without restraint. [Paper 71:3.8, page  803:8]
    On the nation of a Neighbouring Planet slavery was abolished more than a century ago and more than fifty years ago they deported the last of their inferior one-time slaves.
    …Those slaves who satisfactorily passed mental, moral, and physical tests were granted citizenship; many of these superior slaves were war captives or children of such captives. Some fifty years ago they deported the last of their inferior slaves, and still more recently they are addressing themselves to the task of reducing the numbers of their degenerate and vicious classes. [Paper 72:5.2, page  813:3]
    Hybridization is the means of the creation of new and more vigorous strains.

    Present-day prejudice against “half-castes,” “hybrids,” and “mongrels” arises because modern racial crossbreeding is, for the greater part, between the grossly inferior strains of the races concerned. You also get unsatisfactory offspring when the degenerate strains of the same race intermarry. [Paper 82:6.3, page  920:1]

    If the present-day races of Urantia could be freed from the curse of their lowest strata of deteriorated, antisocial, feeble-minded, and outcast specimens, there would be little objection to a limited race amalgamation. And if such racial mixtures could take place between the highest types of the several races, still less objection could be offered. [Paper 82:6.4, page  920:2]

    Hybridization of superior and dissimilar stocks is the secret of the creation of new and more vigorous strains. And this is true of plants, animals, and the human species. Hybridization augments vigor and increases fertility. Race mixtures of the average or superior strata of various peoples greatly increase creative potential, as is shown in the present population of the United States of North America. When such matings take place between the lower or inferior strata, creativity is diminished, as is shown by the present-day peoples of southern India. [Paper 82:6.5, page  920:3]

    There is great potential for “sudden” improvement as a result of hybridization resulting from union of superior strains.

    Race blending greatly contributes to the sudden appearance of new characteristics, and if such hybridization is the union of superior strains, then these new characteristics will also be superior traits. [Paper 82:6.6, page  920:4]

    As long as present-day races are so overloaded with inferior and degenerate strains, race intermingling on a large scale would be most detrimental, but most of the objections to such experiments rest on social and cultural prejudices rather than on biological considerations. Even among inferior stocks, hybrids often are an improvement on their ancestors. Hybridization makes for species improvement because of the role of the dominant genes. Racial intermixture increases the likelihood of a larger number of the desirable dominants being present in the hybrid. [Paper 82:6.7, page  920:5]

    It’s encouraging to learn that in the past hundred years more racial hybridization has happened than in thousands of years previously. To my thinking this is a consequence of migration and consequent resettlement within a more stable, progressive society than region of origin.

    For the past hundred years more racial hybridization has been taking place on Urantia than has occurred in thousands of years. The danger of gross disharmonies as a result of crossbreeding of human stocks has been greatly exaggerated. The chief troubles of “half-breeds” are due to social prejudices. [Paper 82:6.8, page  920:6]

    In the following quote, again is mentioned the folly of permitting unrestrained mutiplication of inferior and degenerate strains rather than any “supposed” danger of racial interbreeding.

    After all, the real jeopardy of the human species is to be found in the unrestrained multiplication of the inferior and degenerate strains of the various civilized peoples rather than in any supposed danger of their racial interbreeding. [Paper 82:6.8, page  920:6]

    The church, while doing well in helping the underprivileged, has fostered an unhealthy sentimentality when honest pragmatism would produce better outcomes. In fact this unwise tendency has tremendously retarded the progress of civilization.

    The church, because of overmuch false sentiment, has long ministered to the underprivileged and the unfortunate, and this has all been well, but this same sentiment has led to the unwise perpetuation of racially degenerate stocks which have tremendously retarded the progress of civilization.  [Paper 99:3.5, page  1088:6]

    In sharing these quotes it becomes quite clear to me that while improvements have been made in fostering the higher types of individuals, more should be done with clearly communicated reasons why such a course of action is advisable.  Promote increase in the higher, while curtailing the lower, types of mortals.

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    Unlike the puerile yaddayadda that is allowed on other USA centric TUB forums where no lies get corrected by the censors (who only viciously shut down “sincere” readers) – ie. the latest lie unchallenged is “caligastia” claiming that humans could not visually SEE The Material Son and Daughter who were sent here to plant an immune system upgrade in humans that did not EVOLVE on Urantia – gee, what part of MATERIAL Son and Daughter did he not understand?  They are MATERIAL so that they can be SEEN…..sigh…I am going to be a stickler about what is in TUB and what is in a reader’s imagination about what is in TUB, and “medical research” gadflies are buzzing all over the forums….and I am pretty much the ONLY reader left who is still standing with the FACTS about “error” – not letting FALSE “ideas” in the hands of “what is torture when greed is good” ists monkey around with Life Carrier’s evolution plans.

    Vern, “….Yes, those responsible choices are being made in synchrony with advances in solving hereditary diseases by scientific medical research.”

    That is not what I said or implied or insinuated, it is all your interpretation and I have to correct you, Vern, about what is clear in TUB – we have to work with what we’ve got – I honestly cannot comprehend how big of an ego you have to have to believe that EXPERIMENTATION is superior to EVOLUTION! And if Life Carriers sign a promise to stop manipulating life forms once human will appears – what creature believes it can experiment with the creator’s mechanism without permission and without the BRAIN to understand the knowledge of HOW?

    65:3.6 (734.3) “Mankind on Urantia must solve its problems of mortal development with the human stocks it has — no more races will evolve from prehuman sources throughout all future time. But this fact does not preclude the possibility of the attainment of vastly higher levels of human development through the intelligent fostering of the evolutionary potentials still resident in the mortal races. That which we, the Life Carriers, do toward fostering and conserving the life strains before the appearance of human will, man must do for himself after such an event and subsequent to our retirement from active participation in evolution. In a general way, man’s evolutionary destiny is in his own hands, and scientific intelligence must sooner or later supersede the random functioning of uncontrolled natural selection and chance survival.”

    #16684
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    Sabinatu wrote:  …intelligent fostering of the evolutionary potentials still resident in the mortal races.
    Yes, which is an additional shared piece of information to add to the body of all the other references provided to us that we have the capacity to do something practical, intelligent fostering means acting with wisdom and purpose to solve a known problem. In looking at fundamentals of “origin,” the morality of home life and the initial experience of love I’m reminded how vital spirit is in evolutionary progress.
    Sabinatu wrote:  …In a general way, man’s evolutionary destiny is in his own hands, and scientific intelligence must sooner or later supersede the random functioning of uncontrolled natural selection and chance survival.
    Specifically because God has already bridged the distance to make actual what is potential, the Adjuster’s plan of that particular person’s life. The gospel message is that all men and women with capacity to know God, actually experience this as a reality in their lives for the organic invisible spiritual brotherhood to establish itself. The spiritual network is solid, everlasting and ready to plug into by exercise of consistent freewill choice. Those morally motivated, thereby learn to work co-opertively with each other and apply scientific intelligence that has been operative all along in solving the practical challenges of modern civilization. We know well, how gunpowder has been used both constructively and destructively, there is good reason for eastablishment of the Nobel prizes as incentives towards excellence.
    The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences awards the Nobel Prize in Physics, the Nobel Prize in Chemistry, and the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences; the Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet awards the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine; the Swedish Academy grants the Nobel Prize in Literature; and the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded not by a Swedish organisation but by the Norwegian Nobel Committee.

    Sabinatu wrote:  …what creature believes it can experiment with the creator’s mechanism without permission…
    This statement you make, when taken into consideration with your previous sharing of Urantia Book quotes on the definite limitations within which we animal origin mortals are able to function is instructive. No amount of curious experimentation will achieve the non-doable.
    The Lucifer manifesto of liberty without restraint will hit the wall. The heart will triumph over wrong thinking. When my childern were little they held my heart when they held my hand. Now the’ve grown they still hold my heart even though they no longer need to hold my hand.
    To enjoy privilege without abuse, to have liberty without license, to possess power and steadfastly refuse to use it for self-aggrandizement — these are the marks of high civilization. [Paper 48:7.8, page 556:8]
    Self mastery is the secret of true moral character, liberation of creative power of personality. Selfishness is self-limiting bondage, diminution of the creative potentials of personality.
    Unbridled self-will and unregulated self-expression equal unmitigated selfishness, the acme of ungodliness. Liberty without the associated and ever-increasing conquest of self is a figment of egoistic mortal imagination. Self-motivated liberty is a conceptual illusion, a cruel deception. License masquerading in the garments of liberty is the forerunner of abject bondage[Paper 54:1.5, page 613:7]
    #16685
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    Vern wrote:  …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at twenty four, leaving 10 to check out…
    here’s No. 10 which makes that remarkable statement—between frog and Eskimo, no surviving ancestry—which causes discomfort amongst current evolutionary scientists.

    The frog is one of the earliest of surviving human-race ancestors, but it also failed to progress, persisting today much as in those remote times. The frog is the only species ancestor of the early dawn races now living on the face of the earth. The human race has no surviving ancestry between the frog and the Eskimo[Paper 65:2.7, page 732:5]

    Best way for a tadpole to become a frog, is to live loyally each day as a tadpole. There is great satisfaction to be who you are, such is the invitation-lure to perfection.

    The frogs gave rise to the Reptilia, a great animal family which is virtually extinct, but which, before passing out of existence, gave origin to the whole bird family and the numerous orders of mammals. [Paper 65:2.8, page 732:6]

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    We are able to make virtually unlimited free will choices that concern the choosing of what is SPIRIT/SOUL/God’s WILL, whatever you want to call that realm of which time and space are just a shadow.

    Our physical choices on Urantia are, out of necessity and “evolution” and rebellion, much more limited.

    The fewer Spiritual choices we make, the more scared will Nature’s face become.  Selfishness is not only the “acme of ugliness”, it is destructive, it is never creative.

    Vern wrote, “here’s No. 10 which makes that remarkable statement—between frog and Eskimo, no surviving ancestry—which causes discomfort amongst current evolutionary scientists.”

    Let’s hope it gives them enough discomfort so that they pause to consider whether they know what they think they know :good:

     

    #16692
    Vern
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    Sabinatu wrote:  Let’s hope it gives them enough discomfort so that they pause to consider whether they know what they think they know
    Yes, and give them a moment to reflect a little and chuckle, on how little they know of how little they know.
    When we are tempted to magnify our self-importance, if we stop to contemplate the infinity of the greatness and grandeur of our Makers, our own self-glorification becomes sublimely ridiculous, even verging on the humorous. One of the functions of humor is to help all of us take ourselves less seriouslyHumor is the divine antidote for exaltation of ego. [Paper 48:4.15, page 549.2]
    #16699
    Vern
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    Vern wrote:  …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at twenty five, leaving 9 to check out…
    Here’s No. 9 which deals with the “Fostering of Evolution.” For context this includes a quote which was recently included and commented on by Sabinatu. Despite the appearance of many strange creatures during the evolutionary process a purposeful plan has been behind it all. Life Carriers are not allowed to arbitrarily interfere with development of life patterns once they’ve been activated. 

    It will hardly be possible to explain to the present-day human mind many of the queer and apparently grotesque occurrences of early evolutionary progress. A purposeful plan was functioning throughout all of these seemingly strange evolutions of living things, but we are not allowed arbitrarily to interfere with the development of the life patterns after they have once been set in operation[Paper65:3.1, page 733:7] Life Carriers may employ every possible natural resource and may utilize any and all fortuitous circumstances which will enhance the developmental progress of the life experiment, but we are not permitted mechanically to intervene in, or arbitrarily to manipulate the conduct and course of, either plant or animal evolution.  [Paper65:3.2, page 733:8]

    We’ve been informed of the near death experience of a particular animal with ascending strains of favourable evolutionary development, however the Life carriers had others, should that particular one meet with a tragic accident.

    You have been informed that Urantia mortals evolved by way of primitive frog development, and that this ascending strain, carried in potential in a single frog, narrowly escaped extinction on a certain occasion. But it should not be inferred that the evolution of mankind would have been terminated by an accident at this juncture. At that very moment we were observing and fostering no less than one thousand different and remotely situated mutating strains of life which could have been directed into various different patterns of prehuman development. This particular ancestral frog represented our third selection, the two prior life strains having perished in spite of all our efforts toward their conservation.  [Paper65:3.3, page 733:9]

    At the time of Andon and Fonta, the Life Carriers had seven thousand favourable strains developing which could have achieved human type of development and the better stocks of these were subsequently assimilated.

    Even the loss of Andon and Fonta before they had offspring, though delaying human evolution, would not have prevented it. Subsequent to the appearance of Andon and Fonta and before the mutating human potentials of animal life were exhausted, there evolved no less than seven thousand favorable strains which could have achieved some sort of human type of development. And many of these better stocks were subsequently assimilated by the various branches of the expanding human species.  [Paper65:3.4, page 734:1]

    The capacity for human evolution arising from prehuman animal ancestors was exhausted well before the arrival of Adam and Eve.  The Life Carriers were made aware of this stage of completion by the phenomena of the third phase of adjutant spirit mobilization.

    Long before the Material Son and Daughter, the biologic uplifters, arrive on a planet, the human potentials of the evolving animal species have been exhausted. This biologic status of animal life is disclosed to the Life Carriers by the phenomenon of the third phase of adjutant spirit mobilization, which automatically occurs concomitantly with the exhaustion of the capacity of all animal life to give origin to the mutant potentials of prehuman individuals. [Paper65:3.5, page 734:2]

    Life Carriers are able to function and do function on three levels, physical level of electrochemistry, usual mid-phase of quasi-morontial existence and advanced semispiritual level. Exhaustion of human potentials arising from evolving animal species is when they take renunciation vows and function on the advanced semispiritual third level.

    After organic evolution has run a certain course and free will of the human type has appeared in the highest evolving organisms, the Life Carriers must either leave the planet or take renunciation vows; that is, they must pledge themselves to refrain from all attempts further to influence the course of organic evolution. And when such vows are voluntarily taken by those Life Carriers who choose to remain on the planet as future advisers to those who shall be intrusted with the fostering of the newly evolved will creatures, there is summoned a commission of twelve, presided over by the chief of the Evening Stars, acting by authority of the System Sovereign and with permission of Gabriel; and forthwith these Life Carriers are transmuted to the third phase of personality existence — the semispiritual level of being. And I have functioned on Urantia in this third phase of existence ever since the times of Andon and Fonta.[Paper65:1.8, page 731.3]

    Isn’t that amazing. The Life Carrier who has communicated the paragraph above, is a member of the original group of Life Carriers who 600,000,000 years ago worked on the experimental life patterns in the first place. Brought them here, 550,000,000 years ago, implanted them in the prehistoric shallow seas, had them activated with the life spark and fostered their evolutionary development till Andon and Fonta appeared and Urantia was registered an inhabited world 993,489 years ago. Now this Life Carrier of Nebadon serves on as a resident on Urantia. This Life Carrier urges us on to shape our own destiny now that the life shaping phase is over for Life Carriers. There is still human development to be made through the intelligent fostering of the evolutionary potentials still resident in the mortal races.     

    Mankind on Urantia must solve its problems of mortal development with the human stocks it has — no more races will evolve from prehuman sources throughout all future time. But this fact does not preclude the possibility of the attainment of vastly higher levels of human development through the intelligent fostering of the evolutionary potentials still resident in the mortal races. That which we, the Life Carriers, do toward fostering and conserving the life strains before the appearance of human will, man must do for himself after such an event and subsequent to our retirement from active participation in evolution. In a general way, man’s evolutionary destiny is in his own hands, and scientific intelligence must sooner or later supersede the random functioning of uncontrolled natural selection and chance survival.   [Paper65:3.6, page 734:3]

    This Life Carrier even encourages us to consider the job prospects beyond this initial moral life experience once death has been survived an the mansion world experience opens up with new possibilities of service within the corps of Life carriers themselves.  

    And in discussing the fostering of evolution, it would not be amiss to point out that, in the long future ahead, when you may sometime be attached to a corps of Life Carriers, you will have abundant and ample opportunity to offer suggestions and make any possible improvements in the plans and technique of life management and transplantation. Be patient! If you have good ideas, if your minds are fertile with better methods of administration for any part of the universal domains, you are certainly going to have an opportunity to present them to your associates and fellow administrators in the ages to come.  [Paper65:3.7, page 734:4]

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    Sabinatu wrote: Let’s hope it gives them enough discomfort so that they pause to consider whether they know what they think they know
    Yes, and give them a moment to reflect a little and chuckle, on how little they know of how little they know.
    When we are tempted to magnify our self-importance, if we stop to contemplate the infinity of the greatness and grandeur of our Makers, our own self-glorification becomes sublimely ridiculous, even verging on the humorous. One of the functions of humor is to help all of us take ourselves less seriously. Humor is the divine antidote for exaltation of ego.[Paper48:4.15, page 549.2]
    The way I (and I assume with my TA’s help processing “infinity” concepts) re-organized this information for a revelation addition to my experientially earned knowledge is that “evolution” is how The First Source and Center cast the shadow of infinity – time and space – and filled it with “life”.  God’s Will, God’s Plans – the origin.  The creature monkey-ing around – mechanically – with stuff even Life Carriers don’t mess with makes me ask, with mirth, “Gee, what could go wrong there?”  Especially since the “purpose” of the monkey-ing around is “greed is good”, the only prevailing philosophy for living currently in operation in “medical research” launched as the “spiritual” component to Viagra – humorous, indeed….
    TUB quote – “…A purposeful plan was functioning throughout all of these seemingly strange evolutions of living things, but we are not allowed arbitrarily to interfere with the development of the life patterns after they have once been set in operation[Paper65:3.1, page 733:7] Life Carriers may employ every possible natural resource and may utilize any and all fortuitous circumstances which will enhance the developmental progress of the life experiment, but we are not permitted mechanically to intervene in, or arbitrarily to manipulate the conduct and course of, either plant or animal evolution.  [Paper65:3.2, page 733:8]
    #16702
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    Sabinatu wrote:  …employ every possible natural resource and may utilize any and all fortuitous circumstances which will enhance the developmental progress of the life experiment, but we are not permitted mechanically to intervene in, or arbitrarily to manipulate the conduct and course of, either plant or animal evolution.
    Thanks for turning our attention to this Sab. It’s clear from that statement that once free-will-choice capable mortals arrive on the scene the ball is in our court. Mankind becomes master of its own destiny. Within very closely constrained limits of course……..can’t do the non-doable even if attempted. Just like Christianity made a whole lot of mistakes……..however, it did act.
    That’s what humans do……..they act………..make mistakes………….learn from experience………….evolve.
    Such is life in a finite realm with a defined beginning and ……………where eternal endings are only potential…………..only made actual………by choice.
    The finite level is where animal-origin mortals with personality endowment, begin. The Deity function on the finite level is:
    1. personal
    2. prepersonal
    3. superpersonal
    The finite level of reality is characterized by creature life and time-space limitations. Finite realities may not have endings, but they always have beginnings — they are created. The Deity level of Supremacy may be conceived as a function in relation to finite existences.  [Foreword 0:1.11, page 2:11]
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    Sabinatu wrote: employ every possible natural resource and may utilize any and all fortuitous circumstances which will enhance the developmental progress of the life experiment, but we are not permitted mechanically to intervene in, or arbitrarily to manipulate the conduct and course of, either plant or animal evolution.
    Thanks for turning our attention to this Sab. It’s clear from that statement that once free will choice capable mortals arrive on the scene the ball is in our court. Mankind becomes master of its own destiny.
    OMG, how do you get that “mankind” is master of its own destiny?
    I trotted out that quote from TUB to PROVE that even highly qualified Life Carriers DO NOT deviate from EVOLUTION – God’s Plan and Will!
    If Life Carriers do not mechanically intervene or arbitrarily manipulate, what makes you think YOU or any other human is ALLOWED to monkey with our “destiny” in that way??!!
    And there have been 4 epochal revelations helping mankind’s destiny since Caligastia with his fetish for mechanically intervening and arbitrarily manipulating EVOLUTION got started.
    We are definitely NOT on our own.  We have a CHOICE who we reproduce with, that’s about it.  And it is OBVIOUS that that isn’t going well at all! As a male friend quipped, we need the opposite of Viagra…
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    Sabinatu wrote:  how do you get that “mankind” is master of its own destiny?
    By choice………..personal choice.
    Spirit leads never drives.
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    Vern wrote:  …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at twenty six, leaving 8 to check out…
    Here’s No. 8 as “Adam and Eve Learn About the Planet.”

    The sixth day was devoted to an inspection of the numerous types of men and animals. Along the walls eastward in Eden, Adam and Eve were escorted all day, viewing the animal life of the planet and arriving at a better understanding as to what must be done to bring order out of the confusion of a world inhabited by such a variety of living creatures. [Paper74:3.7, page 831:4]

    Before Adam and Eve came to Urantia they had for more than fifteen thousand years been directors of the division of experimental energy as applied to the modification of living forms.

    It greatly surprised those who accompanied Adam on this trip to observe how fully he understood the nature and function of the thousands upon thousands of animals shown him. The instant he glanced at an animal, he would indicate its nature and behavior. Adam could give names descriptive of the origin, nature, and function of all material creatures on sight. Those who conducted him on this tour of inspection did not know that the world’s new ruler was one of the most expert anatomists of all Satania; and Eve was equally proficient. Adam amazed his associates by describing hosts of living things too small to be seen by human eyes. [Paper 74:3.8, page 831:5]

    When the sixth day of their sojourn on earth was over, Adam and Eve rested for the first time in their new home in “the east of Eden.” The first six days of the Urantia adventure had been very busy, and they looked forward with great pleasure to an entire day of freedom from all activities.  [Paper 74:3.9, page 831:6]

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    Vern wrote:  …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at twenty seven, leaving 7 to check out…
    Here’s No. 7 which deals with the “Adjutants of Worship and Wisdom” which, when they first functioned in the mind of animal-origin mortals—parents of mankind—Andon and Fonta, forever differentiated humans from animals and qualified Urantia an inhabited world of will creatures with the capacity to know God. The first manifestation of worshipfulness was directed upon objects of nature.

    Nature worship may seem to have arisen naturally and spontaneously in the minds of primitive men and women, and so it did; but there was operating all this time in these same primitive minds the sixth adjutant spirit, which had been bestowed upon these peoples as a directing influence of this phase of human evolution. And this spirit was constantly stimulating the worship urge of the human species, no matter how primitive its first manifestations might be. The spirit of worship gave definite origin to the human impulse to worship, notwithstanding that animal fear motivated the expression of worshipfulness, and that its early practice became centered upon objects of nature. [Paper 85:7.1, page  948:6]

    Humans require feeling to establish meaning. Even now we tend to follow “feelings” about things rather than what we “think” about them.

    You must remember that feeling, not thinking, was the guiding and controlling influence in all evolutionary development. To the primitive mind there is little difference between fearing, shunning, honoring, and worshiping. [Paper 85:7.2, page  948:7]

    The is good reason for Worship and Wisdom to be so aligned, it introduces the reflective powers of the mind to bring a sense of balance to the motivational urge to worship. It allows us to go beyond the inspirational manifestation of beauty and integrated patterns of nature to the phenomenon of life itself and contemplate, how it is that persons have within themselves, the capacity to relate, the part to the whole? This is “origin” of real religion.

    When the worship urge is admonished and directed by wisdom — meditative and experiential thinking — it then begins to develop into the phenomenon of real religion. When the seventh adjutant spirit, the spirit of wisdom, achieves effective ministration, then in worship man begins to turn away from nature and natural objects to the God of nature and to the eternal Creator of all things natural. [Paper 85:7.3, page  948:8]

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