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Bradly wrote: We are told that soul birth is by the first moral act/choice/decision….but I witness very “moral” choices before the age given as the common age of soul birth. What’s going on there? or then?
First of all, although it’s drilled into our heads that it’s a moral decision that brings the Adjuster, it’s actually more than that. It involves a conscious discernment of the difference between good and evil and then a choice for good. The adjutants of worship and wisdom have to be activated as part of that conscious decision. There has to be a moral decision with a religious meaning, an up-reach toward spirit values.
Children are naturally trustful and positive if not given reasons to develop otherwise. They advance in the utilization of the adjutants rather uneventfully, and the ego appears rather early in development along with all the growing conflicts of self. Young kids always seem to have issues over sharing, some more than others. That goes on for quite a while before a child comes to the point where the idea dawns on them that there’s a difference between good and evil. It’s not really about right and wrong because kids are taught that ( usually), so the decision is not really their’s. Right or “good” behavior that is taught does not have the proper motive; the motive is duty. It’s more than the duty of being nice, friendly, or sharing because their parents taught them. The ability to discriminate morally all on their own without the motivation to please or be “good” for some reason they’ve been taught, and to arrive all in the own conscious mind with the clear motivation to give of themselves when faced with a strong impulse to do otherwise because to do otherwise would be evil.
103:2.6 In the absence of wrong teaching, the mind of the normal child moves positively, in the emergence of religious consciousness, toward moral righteousness and social ministry, rather than negatively, away from sin and guilt.
103:2.9 But before a child has developed sufficiently to acquire moral capacity and therefore to be able to choose altruistic service, he has already developed a strong and well-unified egoistic nature. And it is this factual situation that gives rise to the theory of the struggle between the “higher” and the “lower” natures, between the “old man of sin” and the “new nature” of grace. Very early in life the normal child begins to learn that it is “more blessed to give than to receive.”
108:2.2 Creature mind must exhibit the worship outreach and indicate wisdom function by exhibiting the ability to choose between the emerging values of good and evil — moral choice.
196:3.17 Moral evaluation with a religious meaning — spiritual insight — connotes the individual’s choice between good and evil, truth and error, material and spiritual, human and divine, time and eternity.
but as we grow in the Spirit and progress through the circles, do you think there is a form of acceleration in progress as we grow and learn in experience and wisdom to actually be more responsive and progress through the evolution of dominance as pre-fusion ascenders? As we become more real and actualized by experience and wisdom development, how is progress affected thereby?
I think acceleration is a process of increasing capacity of receptivity. The more often and the longer the channel is open, the wider it gets, as I understand it. Didn’t Jesus say that to those who have much, more will be given?
176:3.5 To every one who has, more shall be given, and he shall have abundance; but from him who has not, even that which he has shall be taken away. You cannot stand still in the affairs of the eternal kingdom. My Father requires all his children to grow in grace and in a knowledge of the truth. You who know these truths must yield the increase of the fruits of the spirit and manifest a growing devotion to the unselfish service of your fellow servants. And remember that, inasmuch as you minister to one of the least of my brethren, you have done this service to me.
56:2.2 Mind is the indispensable channel of communication between spiritual and material realities. The material evolutionary creature can conceive and comprehend the indwelling spirit only by the ministry of mind.
91:7.2 The soul of man requires spiritual exercise as well as spiritual nourishment.
Research on the topic of “soul” recently delivered me to Paper 113 Seraphic Guardians of Destiny. They are key ministers in our circle progress who coordinate and enhance much that is going on in mindal/spirit ministries. All mortals with soul are blessed by the Guardians in their care and guidance through the transfer of the seat of our personal identity.
113:3.1 (1244.2) One of the most important things a destiny guardian does for her mortal subject is to effect a personal co-ordination of the numerous impersonal spirit influences which indwell, surround, and impinge upon the mind and soul of the evolving material creature. Human beings are personalities, and it is exceedingly difficult for nonpersonal spirits and prepersonal entities to make direct contact with such highly material and discretely personal minds. In the ministry of the guarding angel all of these influences are more or less unified and made more nearly appreciable by the expanding moral nature of the evolving human personality.
113:3.2 (1244.3) More especially can and does this seraphic guardian correlate the manifold agencies and influences of the Infinite Spirit, ranging from the domains of the physical controllers and the adjutant mind-spirits up to the Holy Spirit of the Divine Minister and to the Omnipresent Spirit presence of the Paradise Third Source and Center. Having thus unified and made more personal these vast ministries of the Infinite Spirit, the seraphim then undertakes to correlate this integrated influence of the Conjoint Actor with the spirit presences of the Father and the Son.
113:3.3 (1244.4) The Adjuster is the presence of the Father; the Spirit of Truth, the presence of the Sons. These divine endowments are unified and co-ordinated on the lower levels of human spiritual experience by the ministry of the guardian seraphim. The angelic servers are gifted in combining the love of the Father and the mercy of the Son in their ministry to mortal creatures.
113:4.2 (1245.2) Mortal man, subject to Adjuster leading, is also amenable to seraphic guidance. The Adjuster is the essence of man’s eternal nature; the seraphim is the teacher of man’s evolving nature — in this life the mortal mind, in the next the morontia soul. On the mansion worlds you will be conscious and aware of seraphic instructors, but in the first life men are usually unaware of them.
113:4.3 (1245.3) Seraphim function as teachers of men by guiding the footsteps of the human personality into paths of new and progressive experiences. To accept the guidance of a seraphim rarely means attaining a life of ease. In following this leading you are sure to encounter, and if you have the courage, to traverse, the rugged hills of moral choosing and spiritual progress.
113:4.4 (1245.4) The impulse of worship largely originates in the spirit promptings of the higher mind adjutants, reinforced by the leadings of the Adjuster. But the urge to pray so often experienced by God-conscious mortals very often arises as the result of seraphic influence. The guarding seraphim is constantly manipulating the mortal environment for the purpose of augmenting the cosmic insight of the human ascender to the end that such a survival candidate may acquire enhanced realization of the presence of the indwelling Adjuster and thus be enabled to yield increased co-operation with the spiritual mission of the divine presence.
113:4.5 (1245.5) While there is apparently no communication between the indwelling Adjusters and the encompassing seraphim, they always seem to work in perfect harmony and exquisite accord. The guardians are most active at those times when the Adjusters are least active, but their ministry is in some manner strangely correlated. Such superb co-operation could hardly be either accidental or incidental.
113:4.6 (1245.6) The ministering personality of the guardian seraphim, the God presence of the indwelling Adjuster, the encircuited action of the Holy Spirit, and the Son-consciousness of the Spirit of Truth are all divinely correlated into a meaningful unity of spiritual ministry in and to a mortal personality. Though hailing from different sources and different levels, these celestial influences are all integrated in the enveloping and evolving presence of the Supreme Being.
I just couldn’t identify anything to leave out of the above texts…and there’s far more in the Paper for review. Our entire ascension career is an educational experience. The more we learn and acquire in reality-actualization, our education proceeds to the more complex and challenging lessons still to learn. Spirit led choices require repetition to move from “choice” to “reflex” and once a choice becomes reflexive, we are provided new and greater opportunities to discern and choose by the Spirit nature again….and again.
Found this related text posted by Angela at the Calling All Philosopher’s topic:
117:5.3 (1286.1) The evolving immortal soul of man, the joint creation of the material mind and the Adjuster, ascends as such to Paradise and subsequently, when mustered into the Corps of the Finality, becomes allied in some new way with the spirit-gravity circuit of the Eternal Son by a technique of experience known as finaliter transcendation. Such finaliters thus become acceptable candidates for experiential recognition as personalities of God the Supreme. And when these mortal intellects in the unrevealed future assignments of the Corps of the Finality attain the seventh stage of spirit existence, such dual minds will become triune. These two attuned minds, the human and the divine, will become glorified in union with the experiential mind of the then actualized Supreme Being.
117:5.13 (1287.4) What man himself takes with him as a personality possession are the character consequences of the experience of having used the mind and spirit circuits of the grand universe in his Paradise ascent. When man decides, and when he consummates this decision in action, man experiences, and the meanings and the values of this experience are forever a part of his eternal character on all levels, from the finite to the final. Cosmically moral and divinely spiritual character represents the creature’s capital accumulation of personal decisions which have been illuminated by sincere worship, glorified by intelligent love, and consummated in brotherly service.
Thanks for bringing up the angels Bradly. They do play an important role in soul growth as well as making sure our souls arrive on the mansion worlds. It’s no real surprise since both angels and souls are morontial. Also, when we finally arrive on the mansion worlds, our first jobs will be as assistants to angels. I marvel at how well the universe functions and how well we are all taken such good care of. If only we humans would take care of each other so well . . . alas, another topic.
I do want to bring up a few things in regards to angels and the soul. First of all, they cannot invade the mind, but they obviously know what’s going on in the mind since they record every little thing. In terms of making impersonal spiritual influences personal, one naturally wonders what those impersonal influences might be. We know that the pre-personal Adjuster is impersonal, and that the angels work to make the Adjuster’s presence available as a personal experience, but what else?
Well, being that they are created from the same source as mind, and being morontial, it makes sense that they are concerned with influencing anything that can make connections between the material mind and the morontia soul. I call that the gateway phenomenon which I’ve described several times now. If you recall, the urge to pray often arises from seraphic influence. Prayer begins with the spirit of worship. The spirit of worship adjutant is impersonal; in fact, all of the adjutants are impersonal. But when a personal being utilizes them in such a way that the spirit of wisdom can coordinate all seven in up-reach, then the marvelous down reach by the personal presence of the Creative Spirit, the Holy Spirit, opens up the morontia mind of communication to the divine, the soul.
Moreover, through adjutant stimulation, the angels are able to accentuate certain facts on the material level of existence which need personal interpretation, or in other words, need to be given meaning, especially moral meaning. Meanings are meant to be coordinated with values on the morontia or soul level. This is the way angels teach the mind to reach for higher personal meanings and values. Don’t forget that mind is the coordinator between the material and spiritual, or mortional, levels. Angels stimulate the coordination process by emphasizing reality (recognition reflexes) which activates the mind to do its work of unifying the two levels of reality. It’s up to the person to do something with it, to make the choices necessary for soul growth.
113:3.2 More especially can and does this seraphic guardian correlate the manifold agencies and influences of the Infinite Spirit, ranging from the domains of the physical controllers and the adjutant mind-spirits up to the Holy Spirit of the Divine Minister and to the Omnipresent Spirit presence of the Paradise Third Source and Center.
113:3.5 On the spiritual level, seraphim make personal many otherwise impersonal and prepersonal ministries of the universe; they are co-ordinators. On the intellectual level they are the correlators of mind and morontia; they are interpreters. And on the physical level they manipulate terrestrial environment through their liaison with the Master Physical Controllers and through the co-operative ministry of the midway creatures.
113:4.1 The guardian seraphim are not mind, though they do spring from the same source that also gives origin to mortal mind, the Creative Spirit. Seraphim are mind stimulators; they continually seek to promote circle-making decisions in human mind. They do this, not as does the Adjuster, operating from within and through the soul, but rather from the outside inward, working through the social, ethical, and moral environment of human beings. Seraphim are not the divine Adjuster lure of the Universal Father, but they do function as the personal agency of the ministry of the Infinite Spirit.
113:4.4 The impulse of worship largely originates in the spirit promptings of the higher mind adjutants, reinforced by the leadings of the Adjuster. But the urge to pray so often experienced by God-conscious mortals very often arises as the result of seraphic influence. The guarding seraphim is constantly manipulating the mortal environment for the purpose of augmenting the cosmic insight of the human ascender to the end that such a survival candidate may acquire enhanced realization of the presence of the indwelling Adjuster and thus be enabled to yield increased co-operation with the spiritual mission of the divine presence.
113:7.3 The human race was created just a little lower than the more simple types of the angelic orders. Therefore will your first assignment of the morontia life be as assistants to the seraphim in the immediate work awaiting at the time you attain personality consciousness subsequent to your liberation from the bonds of the flesh.
36:5.13 The adjutant mind-spirits experientially grow, but they never become personal.
133:7.7 Ideas are not simply a record of sensations; ideas are sensations plus the reflective interpretations of the personal self; and the self is more than the sum of one’s sensations.
Spirit led choices require repetition to move from “choice” to “reflex” and once a choice becomes reflexive, we are provided new and greater opportunities to discern and choose by the Spirit nature again….and again.
I’ve been thinking about this Bradly and I’m not really sure I agree completely. I agree that we can make our response to spiritual reality a reflex. In fact, we can work to make our response to all reality, on all three levels, a reflex. But I’m quite sure that decisions shouldn’t become a reflex. A reflex is something that bypasses the conscious mind, and decisions need to be conscious in order to count. I think we learn to reflexively see every new situation with spiritual insight, but the decision process must be deliberate, coming from higher conscious centers. Free will can only be executed when it’s conscious. A person is only free to choose when the choice is within the realm of consciousness, otherwise it’s not a choice at all.
If you recall the neural network analogy, reflex activity occurs at the spinal cord level. The incoming data never makes it to the higher functions of the cortex. When the doc hits your kneecap, you kick him. It’s quick, and automatic. It takes no thought whatsoever. You can override the reflex, if you know it’s coming, by sending stop messages from the cortex. But if you don’t know it’s coming, your leg will act all on its own without any direction from your brain at all. The same thing happens when you accidentally burn your finger. Your hand will remove itself from the heat seconds before your brain even knows to say, “ouch.” Your arm is activated at the lower spinal level reflexively before the message ever gets to the cortex. It’s part of our animal heritage.
Reflex spiritual reactions are okay to develop. It’s possible to get them to function automatically, without exercising the conscious mind at all. Jesus called them the four spiritual attitudes which should come to dominate thinking and feeling. When they become reflexes, you no longer have to force yourself into a spiritual frame of mind because you live 24/7 in a spiritual frame of mind. The gateway is wide open, your mind is praying without ceasing, constantly as if in the presence of God, which is what Jesus did. Jesus made prayer his expression of spiritual attitude. And that’s a fantastic place to be, but even so, decisions won’t just happen all on their own. The fruits of the spirit will happen all on their own, but decisions still need the personality to say, “Yep, that’s the way to go. That’s the best way I can come up with, given the options (God’s will), and that’s the way I’m going on this matter. End of story.”
34:3.8 One is free to choose and act only within the realm of one’s consciousness.
140:5.4 The Master introduced this momentous discourse by calling attention to four faith attitudes as the prelude to the subsequent portrayal of his four transcendent and supreme reactions of fatherly love in contrast to the limitations of mere brotherly love.
155:6.17 But you who have been called out of darkness into the light are expected to believe with a whole heart; your faith shall dominate the combined attitudes of body, mind, and spirit.
110:2.5 You as a personal creature have mind and will. The Adjuster as a prepersonal creature has premind and prewill. If you so fully conform to the Adjuster’s mind that you see eye to eye, then your minds become one, and you receive the reinforcement of the Adjuster’s mind. Subsequently, if your will orders and enforces the execution of the decisions of this new or combined mind, the Adjuster’s prepersonal will attains to personality expression through your decision, and as far as that particular project is concerned, you and the Adjuster are one. Your mind has attained to divinity attunement, and the Adjuster’s will has achieved personality expression.
Yes Bonita….I agree that all minds, especially mortal minds, are endlessly faced with choice and decision, conscious decision making. What I intended to describe is the function of learning, experience, and wisdom developed/acquired, over time, by all prior choices/decisions. I meant to point out that this continuum of choice changes in its demands, according to our wisdom and experience, in the nature and complexity of choices faced….the endless learning curve of making better and better choices for better and better reasons in more complex situations – and do so with continued uncertainty but growing confidence in the face of uncertain outcomes resulting from choice…even when the choice itself may seem obvious….the results are seldom obvious until realized.
I’ve posted my decision hierarchy before but I’d like your consideration of it here on this topic.
- Wrong choice for the wrong reason – self over others and no value resulting.
- Right choice for the wrong reason – public prayer or philanthropy for the benefit of the person praying or giving alms – still self first.
- Wrong choice but for the right reason – mistake in timing, strategy, tactic, or execution but of worthy intent and motive.
- Right choice for right reason – but with a broad spectrum of wisdom and outcome.
- The Jesus choice – best choice for the best reason.
- God’s choice – the perfect choice for the perfect reason.
It’s my understanding that ascenders experience every level of decision making – slowly purifying or perfecting our motive and intent at every intersection of choice and relationship and slowly improving our discernment and insight by wisdom and experience to make better and better tactical or response choices. This is part of perfecting. Pure motive does not equate to great wisdom. We must learn both between here and Paradise…..thus we are always making decisions. But we are not always making the same decisions. Sufficient experience and wisdom narrows down the optional choices within every decision once those choices have been faced and made over and over. But not to worry….there’s always more to learn. I was hoping to address the quality improvement of our decisions. The quantity is basically endless…we will always be choosing and deciding….but quality is another challenge. For me, many hard decisions of my past are not difficult anymore and do not require great thought or reflection as to right and wrong or self serving and other serving. But proper alignment of motive does not solve what is the best choice and act given new variables and prior experience. Always something to think about indeed!
100:1.8 (1095.3) Religious habits of thinking and acting are contributory to the economy of spiritual growth. One can develop religious predispositions toward favorable reaction to spiritual stimuli, a sort of conditioned spiritual reflex. Habits which favor religious growth embrace cultivated sensitivity to divine values, recognition of religious living in others, reflective meditation on cosmic meanings, worshipful problem solving, sharing one’s spiritual life with one’s fellows, avoidance of selfishness, refusal to presume on divine mercy, living as in the presence of God. The factors of religious growth may be intentional, but the growth itself is unvaryingly unconscious.
118:1.4 (1295.4) Experience, wisdom, and judgment are the concomitants of the lengthening of the time unit in mortal experience. As the human mind reckons backward into the past, it is evaluating past experience for the purpose of bringing it to bear on a present situation. As mind reaches out into the future, it is attempting to evaluate the future significance of possible action. And having thus reckoned with both experience and wisdom, the human will exercises judgment-decision in the present, and the plan of action thus born of the past and the future becomes existent.
118:1.5 (1295.5) In the maturity of the developing self, the past and future are brought together to illuminate the true meaning of the present. As the self matures, it reaches further and further back into the past for experience, while its wisdom forecasts seek to penetrate deeper and deeper into the unknown future. And as the conceiving self extends this reach ever further into both past and future, so does judgment become less and less dependent on the momentary present. In this way does decision-action begin to escape from the fetters of the moving present, while it begins to take on the aspects of past-future significance.
118:1.6 (1295.6) Patience is exercised by those mortals whose time units are short; true maturity transcends patience by a forbearance born of real understanding.
118:1.7 (1295.7) To become mature is to live more intensely in the present, at the same time escaping from the limitations of the present. The plans of maturity, founded on past experience, are coming into being in the present in such manner as to enhance the values of the future.
118:8.2 (1301.7) Mortal man is a machine, a living mechanism; his roots are truly in the physical world of energy. Many human reactions are mechanical in nature; much of life is machinelike. But man, a mechanism, is much more than a machine; he is mind endowed and spirit indwelt; and though he can never throughout his material life escape the chemical and electrical mechanics of his existence, he can increasingly learn how to subordinate this physical-life machine to the directive wisdom of experience by the process of consecrating the human mind to the execution of the spiritual urges of the indwelling Thought Adjuster.
Hi Bradly,
In terms of motive and intention I believe you’re over thinking the whole thing. There’s really only one motive for faith-sons, and that is seeking God’s will. And there’s only one valid intention for faith-sons, and that’s carrying out God’s will. God’s will is a fundamental motive that covers all ground, not just because it’s God’s, but because spirit is the dominating motive in the universe, and God’s spirit is Love.
1:3.8 I know the truth of the great declarations: “God is spirit” and “God is love,” and these two attributes are most completely revealed to the universe in the Eternal Son.
12:8.12 Spirit. The highest personal reality. True spirit is not subject to physical gravity but eventually becomes the motivating influence of all evolving energy systems of personality dignity.
Motive precedes intent. Motive is the reason behind the intention, and the intention is merely the decision to carry out the underlying motive. So, if the motive is God’s will, then the intention is always to do it. That’s all you need to know, stripped down to it’s basics of course.
Every faith-son’s motive has the same thing in common, which is seeking the spirit dominance of love in his whole self. Intentions, however are not always the same in that living in the spirit, living truth, is always changing with life. And that is because all the factors of experiential life keep changing. But, if all the motives are the same, the results of intentions will eventually knit together into the experience of the Supreme.
110:6.17 The motivation of faith makes experiential the full realization of man’s sonship with God, but action, completion of decisions, is essential to the evolutionary attainment of consciousness of progressive kinship with the cosmic actuality of the Supreme Being. Faith transmutes potentials to actuals in the spiritual world, but potentials become actuals in the finite realms of the Supreme only by and through the realization of choice-experience. But choosing to do the will of God joins spiritual faith to material decisions in personality action and thus supplies a divine and spiritual fulcrum for the more effective functioning of the human and material leverage of God-hunger. Such a wise co-ordination of material and spiritual forces greatly augments both cosmic realization of the Supreme and morontia comprehension of the Paradise Deities.
The intention of carrying out the will of God in this life will often result in imperfect decisions. It will take our whole ascension career to arrive at our potential level of perfection. The goal during this entire adventure is to keep our motive pure, focused on seeking God and his will, which is love. And even that motive needs to be honed as we ascend. The more we comprehend the love of God the higher our motivations soar and the greater usefulness our intentions (acts), become to the Supreme. When we arrive on Paradise the only thing we’ve achieved is perfection of purpose, which means perfection of motive in this universe era. Presumably we will develop transcendental motives in the next. Not sure.
196:3.29 Religious insight possesses the power of turning defeat into higher desires and new determinations. Love is the highest motivation which man may utilize in his universe ascent. But love, divested of truth, beauty, and goodness, is only a sentiment, a philosophic distortion, a psychic illusion, a spiritual deception. Love must always be redefined on successive levels of morontia and spirit progression.
I think quality of decisions are related to one’s nearness to God. Jesus wasn’t worried about quality decisions because he knew that if we maintain spiritual fellowship with God (keep the gateway open), then quality will naturally manifest itself in service. Real quality service is the same as goodness and true goodness is unconscious. The decision to seek God is conscious, the desire to serve, is a natural consequence. Actually serving, making the decision to follow through, is also conscious. The quality of the natural outflow of our inner relationship with God is of no concern to us though. Ideally we should not even concern ourselves with it. It is God’s fruit and he determines the quality. All we do is maintain as sincere and genuine a relationship we can muster so quality fruit can be produced. The nearer we get, the greater the quality. The only way I know to get nearer to God is through that gateway thing of prayer . . . worship and wisdom straight through to Divinity.
170:3.9 The righteousness of any act must be measured by the motive; the highest forms of good are therefore unconscious. Jesus was never concerned with morals or ethics as such. He was wholly concerned with that inward and spiritual fellowship with God the Father which so certainly and directly manifests itself as outward and loving service for man. He taught that the religion of the kingdom is a genuine personal experience which no man can contain within himself; that the consciousness of being a member of the family of believers leads inevitably to the practice of the precepts of the family conduct, the service of one’s brothers and sisters in the effort to enhance and enlarge the brotherhood.
100:2.4 Spirituality becomes at once the indicator of one’s nearness to God and the measure of one’s usefulness to fellow beings. Spirituality enhances the ability to discover beauty in things, recognize truth in meanings, and discover goodness in values. Spiritual development is determined by capacity therefor and is directly proportional to the elimination of the selfish qualities of love.
Bumping this thread, which I missed when it was first posted, so I will remember to read it later when I have time. Bonita, thanks for the time and thought you obviously put into this thoroughly researched information about the soul. Thanks, also to all who contributed perspectives.
Bumping this thread, which I missed when it was first posted . . .
Shoot! I was right. Hardly anybody reads this stuff. Well, glad you’re willing to read it now. Yes, I spent years on this subject and just wanted to share my research and personal experience. There’s lots more but I caved in to the ennui.
Mind you, I didn’t miss it intentionally. There are days and weeks that go by that I do not check this forum. So that is why I didn’t see it; not that I saw it and chose not to read it at the time.
Bonita, your posts are replete with excellent references and the ability to bring TUB teachings to a practical level that is understandable by many of us who lack the scholarship and philosophical abilities that you have. I often feel overwhelmed reading your material because it is so substantive and requires a considerable investment of thought to truly assimilate. In that respect, I am sometimes just not in that ‘place’ at the time I am browsing the forum.
Thanks for your honesty Keryn. I guess I’ll have to rethink my reason for being here. Maybe try a new approach. Don’t know.
Hi Bonita, no need to rethink. Remember that his instruction to “feed my sheep” was to make sure there was food available when his sheep wanted (or were ready) to eat
Just curious
when referring to material mind or human mind or mortal mind and the various mind ministries and soul growth, human intellect is something related but separate, no? How do you think human intellect fits into all of this??? We are also told that there is a plan for our intellectual evolution – they say it’s sublime perfection. Human Mind and intellect are not one and the same?? Is intellect our physical brains at work??
what am I missing.
Thanks for your honesty Keryn. I guess I’ll have to rethink my reason for being here. Maybe try a new approach. Don’t know.
Bonita, I fear you misunderstand me. The fact that your advanced abilities in studying and interpreting TUB are far beyond mine is certainly no insult to you. I am very appreciative of the time you spend sharing your perspectives here. I am struggling to keep up, only because I am not as familiar with TUB teachings as you and others on this forum are; which is why it is so essential to have your posts as a resource for others like me who are lower on the learning curve of TUB’s complexities.
Keryn wrote: . . . like me who are lower on the learning curve of TUB’s complexities.Well ya woulda fooled me. You seem pretty well versed in TUB’s complexities to me. I think you “misunderestimate” yourself.Gene wrote: . . . .human intellect is something related but separate, no? How do you think human intellect fits into all of this??? . . . Human Mind and intellect are not one and the same?? Is intellect our physical brains at work??Mind and intellect are essentially the same thing with one slight difference: Intellect is inherited, mind is gifted. Mind is a ministry and intellect is the individual’s personal use of mind ministry according to their inherited ability. There are different levels of mind and different levels of intellect. We have a material mind functioning with material intelligence inherited from our earth parents. We have a soul mind (morontia mind) functioning with soul intelligence (Holy Spirit), inherited from our spiritual parents. The two higher adjutant mind ministries serve as a bridge between the two. When the Adjusters volunteer for their assignments, they take into consideration the inherited intellectual capacity of the individual as well as the inherited potential for receptivity to the higher adjutants which is so necessary for the growth of the soul.Mind is defined as: The thinking, perceiving, and feeling mechanism of the human organism. The total conscious and unconscious experience. The intelligence associated with the emotional life reaching upward through worship and wisdom to the spirit level. (0:5.8)108:1.2 Although we do not definitely know, we firmly believe that all Thought Adjusters are volunteers. But before ever they volunteer, they are in possession of full data respecting the candidate for indwelling. The seraphic drafts of ancestry and projected patterns of life conduct are transmitted via Paradise to the reserve corps of Adjusters on Divinington by the reflectivity technique extending inward from the capitals of the local universes to the headquarters of the superuniverses. This forecast covers not only the hereditary antecedents of the mortal candidate but also the estimate of probable intellectual endowment and spiritual capacity. The Adjusters thus volunteer to indwell minds of whose intimate natures they have been fully apprised.Dear brotherhood,
Keryn opens the curtain and reveals the suspected presence of the silent audience. For sure, I read that interesting thread ….
And I must admit if I came on the English forum … it is to relax, it is because I’m exhausted(spiritually) ending at 3 courses on UBIS. Mostly because one of this course, a reader brought up ”imagine” the topic on eugenic. It took almost half of the 6 week session. It was like a ”tsunami” also known as a seismic mind wave. The brother has a strong character and did shake our lukewarm opinion.
For my parts, I like very much when somebody (preferably, reader of TUB) pulls the rug under my feet and oblige to re balance and attune my point of view, cosmic perspective. Under his interaction with the class, I consider we pretty much re-define clearly the subject as revealed by the revealators. But, it wasn’t without collateral ego sensibility bruises.
So ….. reading your post is like taking a good cold beer under the sun.
… later when finish my beer, I’ll post something regarding this thread.
p.s. Nigel … I heard must be a recorded video about your participation on the Scientific seminaries held earlier … but I’ am unable retrace it on the net. Have you any clue, please ?
Warm brotherhood regards ,
André
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