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Excellent reference. There also is another reference that speaks of ‘gifted’ TAs that perform highly advanced spiritual exploits while detached from their human host. The host I am sure gets a visual glimpse of those magickal events during reattachment in the sleep state; i.e., the dream.
Interesting question, BB. I tend to agree with you that it may be possible for sleeping survivors to dream. But this led me to more closely consider an even more interesting passage from TUB:
30:4.13(341.3) These dispensational classes of world pilgrims are utilized for group morontia activities in the work of the local universes. There is a great advantage in the mobilization of such enormous groups; they are thus kept together for long periods of effective service.
This quote is found within item #2 “sleeping survivors” in paper 30. Right after this paragraph, it moves on to #3 “Mansion World Survivors”. So it seems as though it is saying that sleeping survivors, while “unconscious” and “oblivious to the length of their rest” are somehow active in the morontia work of local universes. Fascinating! Nothing is wasted, even sleeping survivors are engaged in the Father’s work during the time they wait for the dispensational roll call to resurrection!
BB
As long as the mind is able to slip into unconsciousness, dreams or dream-like realities persist. And I believe unconsciousness follow us up to Paradise, at which point the soul develops to a degree it (or its encasing) no longer can or is able to “sleep.”A more interesting question (to me) is whether or not one’s morontia mind – the new mind of the morontia life on the mansion worlds – generates dreams while the individual is sleeping.
Here’s another quote explaining how you need personality to impart meaning.
112:1.13 Life is really a process which takes place between the organism (selfhood) and its environment. The personality imparts value of identity and meanings of continuity to this organismal-environmental association. Thus it will be recognized that the phenomenon of stimulus-response is not a mere mechanical process since the personality functions as a factor in the total situation. It is ever true that mechanisms are innately passive; organisms, inherently active.
BB
Thinking is not enough to cause damage to the thinker. There must be action behind the thinking; the thought must bear fruits. The rebels moved on their thoughts; they promoted their thoughts throughout the system and this was an action which led to further action; a revolt against Michael’s rule and authorized administration set up in the systems. Thoughts are potentials for reality but they are not realities in and of themselves.Fortunately, it’s not dangerous to think.
Well, that’s just not true, is it? There are some types of thinking that are very dangerous. The rebels engaged in some of that type of thinking, which they were free to do, but it was hazardous to the mental health of everyone.
118:8.7 The iniquity of Caligastia was the by-passing of the time governor of progressive human liberation — the gratuitous destruction of restraining barriers, barriers which the mortal minds of those times had not experientially overridden.
Thinking can be positive or negative, constructive or destructive. Negative, destructive thinking has repercussions which are dangerous.
p1217:1 111:1.6 Mind is the cosmic instrument on which the human will can play the discords of destruction, or upon which this same human will can bring forth the exquisite melodies of God identification and consequent eternal survival. The Adjuster bestowed upon man is, in the last analysis, impervious to evil and incapable of sin, but mortal mind can actually be twisted, distorted, and rendered evil and ugly by the sinful machinations of a perverse and self-seeking human will. Likewise can this mind be made noble, beautiful, true, and good—actually great—in accordance with the spirit-illuminated will of a God-knowing human being. 111:4.11 This is the problem: If freewill man is endowed with the powers of creativity in the inner man, then must we recognize that freewill creativity embraces the potential of freewill destructivity. And when creativity is turned to destructivity, you are face to face with the devastation of evil and sin–oppression, war, and destruction. Evil is a partiality of creativity which tends toward disintegration and eventual destruction. All conflict is evil in that it inhibits the creative function of the inner life — it is a species of civil war in the personality.
It really does matter how you think, why you think, and what you think. If you make your life a prayer, then your thinking is, at the very least, directionally correct.
BB
You are incorrect, Bonita. Morontia bodies can experience and do need sleep. They do not experience natural/mortal sleep but they do experience ‘transit’ sleep. Sleep and rest are in general the same unless you want to engage in semantics./39:2.12 When enseraphimed … while you rest — sleep. The transit sleep is induced by the liaison between the Adjusters and the seraphic transporters.A more interesting question (to me) is whether or not one’s morontia mind – the new mind of the morontia life on the mansion worlds – generates dreams while the individual is sleeping.
Mara, the morontia body does not need sleep. It needs rest.
47:4.6 Though you have morontia bodies, you continue, through all seven of these worlds, to eat, drink, and rest.
Morontia rest comes in seasons of reversion and also in certain places where energy is rejuvenated. The only sleep is during seraphic transport. Nothing is mentioned about dreaming during these times.
BB
Sleep and rest are in general the same unless. . . .
Maybe so BB. Check this out:
27:1.2 Rest is of a sevenfold nature: There is the rest of sleep and of play in the lower life orders, discovery in the higher beings, and worship in the highest type of spirit personality. There is also the normal rest of energy intake, the recharging of beings with physical or with spiritual energy. And then there is the transit sleep, the unconscious slumber when enseraphimed, when in passage from one sphere to another. Entirely different from all of these is the deep sleep of metamorphosis, the transition rest from one stage of being to another, from one life to another, from one state of existence to another, the sleep which ever attends transition from actual universe status in contrast to evolution through various stages of any one status.
Good reference!
And what is the least common denominator in all? RESTSleep and rest are in general the same unless. . . .
Maybe so BB. Check this out:
27:1.2 Rest is of a sevenfold nature: There is the rest of sleep and of play in the lower life orders, discovery in the higher beings, and worship in the highest type of spirit personality. There is also the normal rest of energy intake, the recharging of beings with physical or with spiritual energy. And then there is the transit sleep, the unconscious slumber when enseraphimed, when in passage from one sphere to another. Entirely different from all of these is the deep sleep of metamorphosis, the transition rest from one stage of being to another, from one life to another, from one state of existence to another, the sleep which ever attends transition from actual universe status in contrast to evolution through various stages of any one status.BB
Hi,
Your post BB got my attention.
Most TUB readers acknowelge, revealators let us knows a lot of factors concerning our ascension are withheld till we conquest those matured area.
Speculations are natural process of human mind to logically arrive to a rational explanation.
As an example in Urantia French Association forum a reader extrapolate on “survival decision” from death till emergence on mansion worlds. Despite majority unfavorable perceptions, he keep questionning and thinking.
I need such different perceptions. I like when truth seeker rock my cradle and sign a personal lullaby. Good omen for sweeter dreams !
Keep singing BB.
André
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