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Do you think the one hundred modified aides could see Caligastia, Daligastia, and the Midwayers? They ate from the tree we are told.
66:4:14 (745.4) While of no value to the evolutionary races, this supersustenance was quite sufficient to confer continuous life upon the Caligastia one hundred and also upon the one hundred modified Andonites who were associated with them.
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Richard E Warren
The UB seems clear that these one time Morontia beings definitely see angels and midwayers and the Prince and other celestial beings who visit the world of assignment. Read Paper 50 for more. Even some mortals are allowed to see celestials. The role of the corporeal staff is to interact with both mortals and celestials…they are the ‘bridge’ of communication and reality contact between the planetary rulers and administrators and the mortals of the world. Or so I understand the teachings….
50:2.7 (574.2) The controllers and transformers of planetary assignment are also able to collaborate with angels and other orders of celestial beings in rendering these latter personalities visible to mortal creatures. On special occasions the seraphic helpers and even the Melchizedeks can and do make themselves visible to the inhabitants of the evolutionary worlds. The principal reason for bringing mortal ascenders from the system capital as a part of the staff of the Planetary Prince is to facilitate communication with the inhabitants of the realm.
3. The Prince’s Corporeal Staff
50:3.1 (574.3) On going to a young world, a Planetary Prince usually takes with him a group of volunteer ascending beings from the local system headquarters. These ascenders accompany the prince as advisers and helpers in the work of early race improvement. This corps of material helpers constitutes the connecting link between the prince and the world races. The Urantia Prince, Caligastia, had a corps of one hundred such helpers.
50:3.2 (574.4) Such volunteer assistants are citizens of a system capital, and none of them have fused with their indwelling Adjusters. The status of the Adjusters of such volunteer servers remains as of the residential standing on the system headquarters while these morontia progressors temporarily revert to a former material state.
50:3.3 (574.5) The Life Carriers, the architects of form, provide such volunteers with new physical bodies, which they occupy for the periods of their planetary sojourn. These personality forms, while exempt from the ordinary diseases of the realms, are, like the early morontia bodies, subject to certain accidents of a mechanical nature.
50:3.4 (574.6) The prince’s corporeal staff are usually removed from the planet in connection with the next adjudication at the time of the second Son’s arrival on the sphere. Before leaving, they customarily assign their various duties to their mutual offspring and to certain superior native volunteers. On those worlds where these helpers of the prince have been permitted to mate with the superior groups of the native races, such offspring usually succeed them.
50:3.5 (574.7) These assistants to the Planetary Prince seldom mate with the world races, but they do always mate among themselves. Two classes of beings result from these unions: the primary type of midway creatures and certain high types of material beings who remain attached to the prince’s staff after their parents have been removed from the planet at the time of the arrival of Adam and Eve. These children do not mate with the mortal races except in certain emergencies and then only by direction of the Planetary Prince. In such an event, their children—the grandchildren of the corporeal staff—are in status as of the superior races of their day and generation. All the offspring of these semimaterial assistants of the Planetary Prince are Adjuster indwelt.
50:3.6 (575.1) At the end of the prince’s dispensation, when the time comes for this “reversion staff” to be returned to the system headquarters for the resumption of the Paradise career, these ascenders present themselves to the Life Carriers for the purpose of yielding up their material bodies. They enter the transition slumber and awaken delivered from their mortal investment and clothed with morontia forms, ready for seraphic transportation back to the system capital, where their detached Adjusters await them. They are a whole dispensation behind their Jerusem class, but they have gained a unique and extraordinary experience, a rare chapter in the career of an ascending mortal.
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Understood Bradly, and thanks. My question goes to the 100 humans from whom the DNA was extracted, and who were endowed with immortality.
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Richard E Warren
My guess is Yes….perhaps only at certain times or ceremonies or events as a group? Or maybe all the time? But such ability is definitely possible based on:
50:2.7 (574.2) The controllers and transformers of planetary assignment are also able to collaborate with angels and other orders of celestial beings in rendering these latter personalities visible to mortal creatures. On special occasions the seraphic helpers and even the Melchizedeks can and do make themselves visible to the inhabitants of the evolutionary worlds. The principal reason for bringing mortal ascenders from the system capital as a part of the staff of the Planetary Prince is to facilitate communication with the inhabitants of the realm.
Do you think the one hundred modified aides could see Caligastia, Daligastia, and the Midwayers? They ate from the tree we are told.
I do not think eating from the tree of life confers extended vision.
Do you think the one hundred modified aides could see Caligastia, Daligastia, and the Midwayers? They ate from the tree we are told.
I do not think eating from the tree of life confers extended vision.
I agree….Bradly
66:4.13 (745.3) These antidotal complements of the Satania life currents were derived from the fruit of the tree of life, a shrub of Edentia which was sent to Urantia by the Most Highs of Norlatiadek at the time of Caligastia’s arrival. In the days of Dalamatia this tree grew in the central courtyard of the temple of the unseen Father, and it was the fruit of the tree of life that enabled the material and otherwise mortal beings of the Prince’s staff to live on indefinitely as long as they had access to it.
66:4.14 (745.4) While of no value to the evolutionary races, this supersustenance was quite sufficient to confer continuous life upon the Caligastia one hundred and also upon the one hundred modified Andonites who were associated with them.
66:4.15 (745.5) It should be explained in this connection that, at the time the one hundred Andonites contributed their human germ plasm to the members of the Prince’s staff, the Life Carriers introduced into their mortal bodies the complement of the system circuits; and thus were they enabled to live on concurrently with the staff, century after century, in defiance of physical death.
Hi,
You’ve said it all or almost folks. While I have no quote to refer you to, my idea is this:
It takes time and wisdom to come to grasp the underlying value of facts within a given situation. And considering the life span of the associated modified humans who worked with the one hundred, it is my idea that these had gained much enough insight and sense of perception. They, at the least, were innevitably aware of the presence of beings from higher realms. Attuning to God is relevant to self development within him. With their ”from ‘above’ associates”, I would advance that they could clearly portrait them in their minds. Remember, We need Mind to see God.
It takes time and wisdom to come to grasp the underlying value of facts within a given situation. And considering the life span of the associated modified humans who worked with the one hundred, it is my idea that these had gained much enough insight and sense of perception. They, at the least, were innevitably aware of the presence of beings from higher realms. Attuning to God is relevant to self development within him. With their ”from ‘above’ associates”, I would advance that they could clearly portrait them in their minds. Remember, We need Mind to see God.
Additional references. . . . The one hundred human volunteers were of the Andondite tribes and none of them previously knew each other. ( 66:2.7) Regarding the Prince’s staff: “The principal reason for bringing mortal ascenders from the system capital as a part of the staff of the Planetary Prince is to facilitate communication with the inhabitants of the realm.”(50:2.7) The Prince is not visible.
50:4.9 A Planetary Prince is not visible to mortal beings; it is a test of faith to believe the representations of the semimaterial beings of his staff. But these schools of culture and training are well adapted to the needs of each planet, and there soon develops a keen and laudatory rivalry among the races of men in their efforts to gain entrance to these various institutions of learning.
Van communicated with midwayers and angels while Amadon did not. Rather, Amadon communicated with Van. (67:3.9) That is my best opinion. .
Thanks so much everyone for the quotes and opinions,
Seems fairly conclusive the 100 human aides could not see or hear Cal, Dal, the Midwayers, or the angels, except perhaps on ‘special occasions’:
…On special occasions the seraphic helpers and even the Melchizedeks can and do make themselves visible to the inhabitants of the evolutionary worlds…. 50:2.7 (574.2)
…A Planetary Prince is not visible to mortal beings…. 50:4.9
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Richard E Warren
We are glad you are visible to us, Rick.
Keep searching for truth, beauty, and goodness too! Oh! And sharing more of what you learn! Thank you.
We are glad you are visible to us, Rick. Keep searching for truth, beauty, and goodness too! Oh! And sharing more of what you learn! Thank you.
Will do Mark, right along with you, Mara, Alain, Bradly too!
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Richard E Warren
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Hmm… Just noticed the word ‘mortal’ in Mara’s post:
50:4.9 A Planetary Prince is not visible to mortal beings…
Seems like the 100 human aides would be classified as immortals having lived for 300,000 years, no?
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Richard E Warren
50:4.9 A Planetary Prince is not visible to mortal beings…
Seems like the 100 human aides would be classified as immortals having lived for 300,000 years, no?
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They lived because of the tree of life that Van salvaged. They had, as we have, the potential for immortality in the evolving morontia soul. But they still had to go through the entire regime.1:3.6 In the universes God the Father is, in potential, the overcontroller of matter, mind, and spirit. Only by means of his far-flung personality circuit does God deal directly with the personalities of his vast creation of will creatures, but he is contactable (outside of Paradise) only in the presences of his fragmented entities, the will of God abroad in the universes. This Paradise spirit that indwells the minds of the mortals of time and there fosters the evolution of the immortal soul of the surviving creature is of the nature and divinity of the Universal Father. But the minds of such evolutionary creatures originate in the local universes and must gain divine perfection by achieving those experiential transformations of spiritual attainment which are the inevitable result of a creature’s choosing to do the will of the Father in heaven.Additionally:
47:9.5 You will greatly enjoy your progress through the seven dematerializing worlds; they are really demortalizing spheres. You are mostly human on the first mansion world, just a mortal being minus a material body, a human mind housed in a morontia form — a material body of the morontia world but not a mortal house of flesh and blood. You really pass from the mortal state to the immortal status at the time of Adjuster fusion, and by the time you have finished the Jerusem career, you will be full-fledged morontians.Paper 67 – The Planetary Rebellion
4. The Caligastia One Hundred after Rebellion
67:4.1When the final roll was called, the corporeal members of the Prince’s staff were found to have aligned themselves as follows: Van and his entire court of co-ordination had remained loyal. Ang and three members of the food council had survived. The board of animal husbandry were all swept into rebellion as were all of the animal-conquest advisers. Fad and five members of the educational faculty were saved. Nod and all of the commission on industry and trade joined Caligastia. Hap and the entire college of revealed religion remained loyal with Van and his noble band. Lut and the whole board of health were lost. The council of art and science remained loyal in its entirety, but Tut and the commission on tribal government all went astray. Thus were forty out of the one hundred saved, later to be transferred to Jerusem, where they resumed their Paradise journey.
67:4.2The sixty members of the planetary staff who went into rebellion chose Nod as their leader. They worked wholeheartedly for the rebel Prince but soon discovered that they were deprived of the sustenance of the system life circuits. They awakened to the fact that they had been degraded to the status of mortal beings. They were indeed superhuman but, at the same time, material and mortal. In an effort to increase their numbers, Daligastia ordered immediate resort to sexual reproduction, knowing full well that the original sixty and their forty-four modified Andonite associates were doomed to suffer extinction by death, sooner or later. After the fall of Dalamatia the disloyal staff migrated to the north and the east. Their descendants were long known as the Nodites, and their dwelling place as “the land of Nod.”
67:4.3The presence of these extraordinary supermen and superwomen, stranded by rebellion and presently mating with the sons and daughters of earth, easily gave origin to those traditional stories of the gods coming down to mate with mortals. And thus originated the thousand and one legends of a mythical nature, but founded on the facts of the postrebellion days, which later found a place in the folk tales and traditions of the various peoples whose ancestors had participated in these contacts with the Nodites and their descendants.
67:4.4The staff rebels, deprived of spiritual sustenance, eventually died a natural death. And much of the subsequent idolatry of the human races grew out of the desire to perpetuate the memory of these highly honored beings of the days of Caligastia.
67:4.5When the staff of one hundred came to Urantia, they were temporarily detached from their Thought Adjusters. Immediately upon the arrival of the Melchizedek receivers the loyal personalities (except Van) were returned to Jerusem and were reunited with their waiting Adjusters. We know not the fate of the sixty staff rebels; their Adjusters still tarry on Jerusem. Matters will undoubtedly rest as they now are until the entire Lucifer rebellion is finally adjudicated and the fate of all participants decreed.
67:4.6It was very difficult for such beings as angels and midwayers to conceive of brilliant and trusted rulers like Caligastia and Daligastia going astray—committing traitorous sin. Those beings who fell into sin—they did not deliberately or premeditatedly enter upon rebellion—were misled by their superiors, deceived by their trusted leaders. It was likewise easy to win the support of the primitive-minded evolutionary mortals.
67:4.7The vast majority of all human and superhuman beings who were victims of the Lucifer rebellion on Jerusem and the various misled planets have long since heartily repented of their folly; and we truly believe that all such sincere penitents will in some manner be rehabilitated and restored to some phase of universe service when the Ancients of Days finally complete the adjudication of the affairs of the Satania rebellion, which they have so recently begun.
________________________________________________________In case anyone is interested in how “be fruitful and multiple” became a part of the religions of authority….oooops, where’s the man to land ratio and its double-entry bookkeepng math – AKA the “ledger” of “small business”….?In the 1980s, a study conducted by WHO concluded that about 80% of the exploding increase in the world’s population came from rape….no worries, here’s Viagra to keep up…haha…..and now big pharma is kneeling to the opium overlords gone “legal”….death is the most lucrative business in the Nursery of Life – Urantia.Hmmmm, why hasn’t “You MUST call it Urantia” been deployed yet to get the one world language started…?From the first time I read this in the UB, I exclaimed – “aha! this explains the woo-woo “religious” thinking behind the cockroach plan for “power” over “them”…..”Paper 67 – The sixty members of the planetary staff who went into rebellion chose Nod as their leader. They worked wholeheartedly for the rebel Prince but soon discovered that they were deprived of the sustenance of the system life circuits. They awakened to the fact that they had been degraded to the status of mortal beings. They were indeed superhuman but, at the same time, material and mortal. In an effort to increase their numbers, Daligastia ordered immediate resort to sexual reproduction, knowing full well that the original sixty and their forty-four modified Andonite associates were doomed to suffer extinction by death, sooner or later. After the fall of Dalamatia the disloyal staff migrated to the north and the east. Their descendants were long known as the Nodites, and their dwelling place as “the land of Nod.”
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