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Paper 67 – The Planetary Rebellion
4. The Caligastia One Hundred after Rebellion
67:4.1When the final roll was called, the corporeal members of the Prince’s staff were found to have aligned themselves as follows: Van and his entire court of co-ordination had remained loyal. Ang and three members of the food council had survived. The board of animal husbandry were all swept into rebellion as were all of the animal-conquest advisers. Fad and five members of the educational faculty were saved. Nod and all of the commission on industry and trade joined Caligastia. Hap and the entire college of revealed religion remained loyal with Van and his noble band. Lut and the whole board of health were lost. The council of art and science remained loyal in its entirety, but Tut and the commission on tribal government all went astray. Thus were forty out of the one hundred saved, later to be transferred to Jerusem, where they resumed their Paradise journey.
67:4.2The sixty members of the planetary staff who went into rebellion chose Nod as their leader. They worked wholeheartedly for the rebel Prince but soon discovered that they were deprived of the sustenance of the system life circuits. They awakened to the fact that they had been degraded to the status of mortal beings. They were indeed superhuman but, at the same time, material and mortal. In an effort to increase their numbers, Daligastia ordered immediate resort to sexual reproduction, knowing full well that the original sixty and their forty-four modified Andonite associates were doomed to suffer extinction by death, sooner or later. After the fall of Dalamatia the disloyal staff migrated to the north and the east. Their descendants were long known as the Nodites, and their dwelling place as “the land of Nod.”
67:4.3The presence of these extraordinary supermen and superwomen, stranded by rebellion and presently mating with the sons and daughters of earth, easily gave origin to those traditional stories of the gods coming down to mate with mortals. And thus originated the thousand and one legends of a mythical nature, but founded on the facts of the postrebellion days, which later found a place in the folk tales and traditions of the various peoples whose ancestors had participated in these contacts with the Nodites and their descendants.
67:4.4The staff rebels, deprived of spiritual sustenance, eventually died a natural death. And much of the subsequent idolatry of the human races grew out of the desire to perpetuate the memory of these highly honored beings of the days of Caligastia.
67:4.5When the staff of one hundred came to Urantia, they were temporarily detached from their Thought Adjusters. Immediately upon the arrival of the Melchizedek receivers the loyal personalities (except Van) were returned to Jerusem and were reunited with their waiting Adjusters. We know not the fate of the sixty staff rebels; their Adjusters still tarry on Jerusem. Matters will undoubtedly rest as they now are until the entire Lucifer rebellion is finally adjudicated and the fate of all participants decreed.
67:4.6It was very difficult for such beings as angels and midwayers to conceive of brilliant and trusted rulers like Caligastia and Daligastia going astray—committing traitorous sin. Those beings who fell into sin—they did not deliberately or premeditatedly enter upon rebellion—were misled by their superiors, deceived by their trusted leaders. It was likewise easy to win the support of the primitive-minded evolutionary mortals.
67:4.7The vast majority of all human and superhuman beings who were victims of the Lucifer rebellion on Jerusem and the various misled planets have long since heartily repented of their folly; and we truly believe that all such sincere penitents will in some manner be rehabilitated and restored to some phase of universe service when the Ancients of Days finally complete the adjudication of the affairs of the Satania rebellion, which they have so recently begun.
________________________________________________________In case anyone is interested in how “be fruitful and multiple” became a part of the religions of authority….oooops, where’s the man to land ratio and its double-entry bookkeepng math – AKA the “ledger” of “small business”….?In the 1980s, a study conducted by WHO concluded that about 80% of the exploding increase in the world’s population came from rape….no worries, here’s Viagra to keep up…haha…..and now big pharma is kneeling to the opium overlords gone “legal”….death is the most lucrative business in the Nursery of Life – Urantia.Hmmmm, why hasn’t “You MUST call it Urantia” been deployed yet to get the one world language started…?From the first time I read this in the UB, I exclaimed – “aha! this explains the woo-woo “religious” thinking behind the cockroach plan for “power” over “them”…..”Paper 67 – The sixty members of the planetary staff who went into rebellion chose Nod as their leader. They worked wholeheartedly for the rebel Prince but soon discovered that they were deprived of the sustenance of the system life circuits. They awakened to the fact that they had been degraded to the status of mortal beings. They were indeed superhuman but, at the same time, material and mortal. In an effort to increase their numbers, Daligastia ordered immediate resort to sexual reproduction, knowing full well that the original sixty and their forty-four modified Andonite associates were doomed to suffer extinction by death, sooner or later. After the fall of Dalamatia the disloyal staff migrated to the north and the east. Their descendants were long known as the Nodites, and their dwelling place as “the land of Nod.”In the 1980s, a study conducted by WHO concluded that about 80% of the exploding increase in the world’s population came from rape….no worries, here’s Viagra to keep up…haha…..and now big pharma is kneeling to the opium overlords gone “legal”….death is the most lucrative business in the Nursery of Life – Urantia.
Political hyperbole and exaggerated misinformation are the unwelcome weapons of hacks and extremists and one reason such personal agendas and propoganda are not relevant here and diminishes credibility.
While rape is horrific and related statistics of its millions of victims are not acceptable or excusable, still some vagarie of accuracy here would be appropiate and prudent.
The stat cited is for birth by girls age 15 and under and NOT for all births globally.
80%+ of births by young girls is due to rape, most often by family members or in war zones.
An outrageous reality. But it is pure fiction and invention to declare the world birth rate is due to rape in 80% of births…the actual number is closer to 1.5% – 3.0%…truly impossible to say since 90% of rapes are unreported.
Birth rates by rape vary by country but 4-15% is the range cited by WHO, the number depends on local access to birth control and pregnancy termination options and access. But that is not the birth rate of total births but the number of rapes which result in a birth…100 rapes result in 4-15 births…not all or total births but only rape victims’ pregnancy/birth rate.
Total population suffers a birth rate by rape of 1.5-3%…too high….but certainly NOT 80% of all births.
Such exaggerations indicate agenda and motive here by Nameless to assign further blame and invent support for personal politics…
…once again hijacking still another topic for self promotion.
Bradly,
So the majority of women in the most militaristic and brutal circumstances on the planet are having baby showers for a 4th or more child that will die in their arms from disease or starvation before they reach the age of 5….?
You were invited to the baby shower, that’s how you know…?
Why did WHO conduct that kind of data analysis?
Just jiggle around the definition of “rape” by religionists of authority – talk about “agendas”….
Where can a woman in those dire situations present her SCIENTIFIC man to land ratio? To her “husband” who will slap her for even thinking about it?
It goes on and on the examples of how precious the SEPARATION of church and state is and that is the “exceptional” thinking that stands the endless assaults of sophistry and perfidy and sedition that “religionists” who want their power back throw at it in the USA.
Who/Why are we as a species?
Did you even look up “philosophy for living” in the UB…?
FACT – Urantia is a Nursery of LIFE. FACT – We are all Children of God.
A post-human, post-truth “philosophy for living” is unhinged from SCIENCE and “religion”.
Proportionate response…..?
You keep code talking about “post human” and “post truth”.
More contradictions of the UB.
Ignoring your own endless exaggerations, distortions, misrepresentations, and falsifications.
One cannot be much of a believer or religionist or UB student without due consideration of their personal philosophy of living….the motive for living which determines intentions, priorities, decisons, and the fruits of the Spirit.
Keyword search results:
https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/search?keys=Philosophy+of&op=Search
By such enlightenment of motive do we spiritize and transfer the seat of our identity to Spirit and transform our philosophy of living.
140:4.6 (1572.6) Strong characters are not derived from not doing wrong but rather from actually doing right. Unselfishness is the badge of human greatness. The highest levels of self-realization are attained by worship and service. The happy and effective person is motivated, not by fear of wrongdoing, but by love of right doing.
140:4.7 (1572.7) “By their fruits you shall know them.” Personality is basically changeless; that which changes—grows—is the moral character. The major error of modern religions is negativism. The tree which bears no fruit is “hewn down and cast into the fire.” Moral worth cannot be derived from mere repression—obeying the injunction “Thou shalt not.” Fear and shame are unworthy motivations for religious living. Religion is valid only when it reveals the fatherhood of God and enhances the brotherhood of men.
140:4.8 (1572.8) An effective philosophy of living is formed by a combination of cosmic insight and the total of one’s emotional reactions to the social and economic environment. Remember: While inherited urges cannot be fundamentally modified, emotional responses to such urges can be changed; therefore the moral nature can be modified, character can be improved. In the strong character emotional responses are integrated and co-ordinated, and thus is produced a unified personality. Deficient unification weakens the moral nature and engenders unhappiness.
140:4.9 (1572.9) Without a worthy goal, life becomes aimless and unprofitable, and much unhappiness results. Jesus’ discourse at the ordination of the twelve constitutes a master philosophy of life. Jesus exhorted his followers to exercise experiential faith. He admonished them not to depend on mere intellectual assent, credulity, and established authority.
140:4.10 (1573.1) Education should be a technique of learning (discovering) the better methods of gratifying our natural and inherited urges, and happiness is the resulting total of these enhanced techniques of emotional satisfactions. Happiness is little dependent on environment, though pleasing surroundings may greatly contribute thereto.
140:4.11 (1573.2) Every mortal really craves to be a complete person, to be perfect even as the Father in heaven is perfect, and such attainment is possible because in the last analysis the “universe is truly fatherly.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posthuman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-truth_politics
Philosophy and physics are unifying…..the proportionate response to the weaponization of “social media” and “biologic terror” – AKA “politics”.
Who/Why are we?
The Lucifer Rebellion
3. The Lucifer Manifesto
53:3.1Whatever the early origins of trouble in the hearts of Lucifer and Satan, the final outbreak took form as the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The cause of the rebels was stated under three heads:
53:3.21. The reality of the Universal Father. Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father’s name. He denied that personality was a gift of the Universal Father. He even intimated that the finaliters were in collusion with the Paradise Sons to foist fraud upon all creation since they never brought back a very clear-cut idea of the Father’s actual personality as it is discernible on Paradise. He traded on reverence as ignorance. The charge was sweeping, terrible, and blasphemous. It was this veiled attack upon the finaliters that no doubt influenced the ascendant citizens then on Jerusem to stand firm and remain steadfast in resistance to all the rebel’s proposals.
53:3.32. The universe government of the Creator Son—Michael. Lucifer contended that the local systems should be autonomous. He protested against the right of Michael, the Creator Son, to assume sovereignty of Nebadon in the name of a hypothetical Paradise Father and require all personalities to acknowledge allegiance to this unseen Father. He asserted that the whole plan of worship was a clever scheme to aggrandize the Paradise Sons. He was willing to acknowledge Michael as his Creator-father but not as his God and rightful ruler.
53:3.4Most bitterly did he attack the right of the Ancients of Days—“foreign potentates”—to interfere in the affairs of the local systems and universes. These rulers he denounced as tyrants and usurpers. He exhorted his followers to believe that none of these rulers could do aught to interfere with the operation of complete home rule if men and angels only had the courage to assert themselves and boldly claim their rights.
53:3.5He contended that the executioners of the Ancients of Days could be debarred from functioning in the local systems if the native beings would only assert their independence. He maintained that immortality was inherent in the system personalities, that resurrection was natural and automatic, and that all beings would live eternally except for the arbitrary and unjust acts of the executioners of the Ancients of Days.
53:3.63. The attack upon the universal plan of ascendant mortal training. Lucifer maintained that far too much time and energy were expended upon the scheme of so thoroughly training ascending mortals in the principles of universe administration, principles which he alleged were unethical and unsound. He protested against the agelong program for preparing the mortals of space for some unknown destiny and pointed to the presence of the finaliter corps on Jerusem as proof that these mortals had spent ages of preparation for some destiny of pure fiction. With derision he pointed out that the finaliters had encountered a destiny no more glorious than to be returned to humble spheres similar to those of their origin. He intimated that they had been debauched by overmuch discipline and prolonged training, and that they were in reality traitors to their mortal fellows since they were now co-operating with the scheme of enslaving all creation to the fictions of a mythical eternal destiny for ascending mortals. He advocated that ascenders should enjoy the liberty of individual self-determination. He challenged and condemned the entire plan of mortal ascension as sponsored by the Paradise Sons of God and supported by the Infinite Spirit.
53:3.7And it was with such a Declaration of Liberty that Lucifer launched his orgy of darkness and death.
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“Post Truth” and “Post Humanism” are both weak inventions and false humanisms or godless perspectives which deny the realities presented in the UB.
Neither explains any true aspect of human evolutionary progress and our collective experiential trajectory or destiny…according to the UB.
The evolutionary religious experience and epochal progress are real. You keep claiming the the rebellion and default somehow stopped evolutionary progress and crippled our planetary leadership and our personal connections to Divinity and the Spirit within and the Deity Gravity Circuits for Personality, Mind, and Spirit.
Poppycock and horsefeathers. Complete distortions of both the terms posted which you misrepresent and misdefine AND a complete contradiction of the UB to boot.
Most unfortunate.
“Post Truth” and “Post Humanism” are both weak inventions and false humanisms or godless perspectives which deny the realities presented in the UB. Neither explains any true aspect of human evolutionary progress and our collective experiential trajectory or destiny…according to the UB. The evolutionary religious experience and epochal progress are real. You keep claiming the the rebellion and default somehow stopped evolutionary progress and crippled our planetary leadership and our personal connections to Divinity and the Spirit within and the Deity Gravity Circuits for Personality, Mind, and Spirit. Poppycock and horsefeathers. Complete distortions of both the terms posted which you misrepresent and misdefine AND a complete contradiction of the UB to boot. Most unfortunate.
Let me tell you what is “most unfortunate”.
It was “most unfortunate” that, according to your description above – “weak inventions and false humanisms or godless perspectives” – ended up infecting the minds of humans in the 20th century to such a high pitch that it resulted in the potentials of – again your words “….human evolutionary progress and our collective experiential trajectory or destiny….” –
the potentials of the Victorian Era – all that beauty and goodness for LIFE
to be completely shangheid into wars that killed millions.
THAT was “most unfortunate”.
Hey, no one is perfect except for God so TACT and tolerance is all on YOU when Bradly gets uppity when he has to do some real thinking about how to project onto others, he wrote, “…The evolutionary religious experience and epochal progress are real. You keep claiming the the rebellion and default somehow stopped evolutionary progress and crippled our planetary leadership and our personal connections to Divinity and the Spirit within and the Deity Gravity Circuits for Personality, Mind, and Spirit.”
you forgot “Material” – irony noted..
I am not “claiming” anything of the sort. Those are the charges in the Gabriel vs. Lucifer case that the Ancients of Days are presiding over in the cosmic NOW.
They are NOT “Deity” gravity circuits. Gravity is gravity. It is nothing other than gravity. Maybe go “earth centric” and think about Gravity as a TOOL of The Third Source and Center – The Conjoint Actor.
How unfortunate that history keeps repeating itself for 250,000 years because of “politics”.
But the damnation is always personal and in the case of Lucifer it comes from erasing the history of humanity as we actually lived it on the Urantian Nursery of Life for 500,000 years. Censorship. Go figure…
Damnation?
Actually….not Lucifer or his System rebellion or the Prince’s planetary rebellion or the Adamic default or any other act by ANY PARTY EVER stopped the evolutionary Epochal progress of Urantia. Neither did those beings or events interrupt or interfere with the Deity ministries to mortal mind and/or soul. And neither did they or could they cripple our planetary leadership’s ability to effectively shepherd our world toward our planetary destiny.
Indeed…according to the UB, over 1000 times more good than evil has been experienced by the response to Lucifer’s folly and that result just keeps growing. Ultimately there are also personal faith rewards for any personal effects suffered by those souls who grow by faith on such worlds.
Time to quit blaming others for poor choices and see to the eternal potentials which remain intact despite all suffering and sources of suffering.
Nothing has been erased of any value, and never can be.
54:6.4 (619.1) But one thing should be made clear: If you are made to suffer the evil consequences of the sin of some member of your family, some fellow citizen or fellow mortal, even rebellion in the system or elsewhere—no matter what you may have to endure because of the wrongdoing of your associates, fellows, or superiors—you may rest secure in the eternal assurance that such tribulations are transient afflictions. None of these fraternal consequences of misbehavior in the group can ever jeopardize your eternal prospects or in the least degree deprive you of your divine right of Paradise ascension and God attainment.
54:6.5 (619.2) And there is compensation for these trials, delays, and disappointments which invariably accompany the sin of rebellion. Of the many valuable repercussions of the Lucifer rebellion which might be named, I will only call attention to the enhanced careers of those mortal ascenders, the Jerusem citizens, who, by withstanding the sophistries of sin, placed themselves in line for becoming future Mighty Messengers, fellows of my own order. Every being who stood the test of that evil episode thereby immediately advanced his administrative status and enhanced his spiritual worth.
54:6.6 (619.3) At first the Lucifer upheaval appeared to be an unmitigated calamity to the system and to the universe. Gradually benefits began to accrue. With the passing of twenty-five thousand years of system time (twenty thousand years of Urantia time), the Melchizedeks began to teach that the good resulting from Lucifer’s folly had come to equal the evil incurred. The sum of evil had by that time become almost stationary, continuing to increase only on certain isolated worlds, while the beneficial repercussions continued to multiply and extend out through the universe and superuniverse, even to Havona. The Melchizedeks now teach that the good resulting from the Satania rebellion is more than a thousand times the sum of all the evil.
67:8.4 (762.3) If the Lucifer rebellion has handicapped the local system and its fallen worlds, if the loss of this Son and his misled associates has temporarily hampered the progress of the constellation of Norlatiadek, then weigh the effect of the far-flung presentation of the inspiring performance of this one child of nature and his determined band of 143 comrades in standing steadfast for the higher concepts of universe management and administration in the face of such tremendous and adverse pressure exerted by his disloyal superiors. And let me assure you, this has already done more good in the universe of Nebadon and the superuniverse of Orvonton than can ever be outweighed by the sum total of all the evil and sorrow of the Lucifer rebellion.
67:8.5 (762.4) And all this is a beautifully touching and superbly magnificent illumination of the wisdom of the Father’s universal plan for mobilizing the Corps of Mortal Finality on Paradise and for recruiting this vast group of mysterious servants of the future largely from the common clay of the mortals of ascending progression—just such mortals as the impregnable Amadon.
Nameless says: “They are NOT “Deity” gravity circuits. Gravity is gravity. It is nothing other than gravity.”
Really?? Hmmmmm….
The Deity Gravity Circuits are universal “Presence Circuits” of Deity which act wherever personality or mind or spirit or matter are found (singularly or any combination).
12:3.1 (131.4) All forms of force-energy—material, mindal, or spiritual—are alike subject to those grasps, those universal presences, which we call gravity. Personality also is responsive to gravity—to the Father’s exclusive circuit; but though this circuit is exclusive to the Father, he is not excluded from the other circuits; the Universal Father is infinite and acts over all four absolute-gravity circuits in the master universe:
12:3.2 (131.5) 1. The Personality Gravity of the Universal Father.
12:3.3 (131.6) 2. The Spirit Gravity of the Eternal Son.
12:3.4 (131.7) 3. The Mind Gravity of the Conjoint Actor.
12:3.5 (131.8) 4. The Cosmic Gravity of the Isle of Paradise.
12:3.6 (131.9) These four circuits are not related to the nether Paradise force center; they are neither force, energy, nor power circuits. They are absolute presence circuits and like God are independent of time and space.
Nameless says: “How unfortunate that history keeps repeating itself for 250,000 years because of “politics”.
Me here: To better understand the evolutionary progress of our world and the normal struggles all worlds and peoples must endure, I suggest re-reading Papers 70 and 81.
Evolution is always slow. Both personally and socially, evolution is learning by trial and error.
Experiential wisdom takes time…lots of time. With all people everywhere and on all material worlds. There are no shortcuts. God does not impose perfection but patiently awaits its inevitability by the process of perfecting…the evolutionary experience.
Disappointment, blame, and impatience are merely the signs of immaturity and blindness to the realities presented in the Papers.
81:0.1 (900.1) REGARDLESS of the ups and downs of the miscarriage of the plans for world betterment projected in the missions of Caligastia and Adam, the basic organic evolution of the human species continued to carry the races forward in the scale of human progress and racial development. Evolution can be delayed but it cannot be stopped.
Me here: Despite your declarations to the contrary, the historical record of our world – The Shrine of Nebadon – is not lost. Indeed do we study it here and now. And yet, even with a textbook of history in your hands, do you misstate and misunderstand that history.
Thus the need for students and study groups!!! And the need for Epochal Revelation!! – to restore and correct and clarify the record to improve mortal knowledge, understanding, and perspective of reality.
It is my hope that our misunderstanding of so much might be well served and reduced by us all sharing here the discovery of the actual contents and meaning of this 5th Epochal Revelation gifted to us for that very purpose!
I guess it is best to keep pointing out where this bully political schtick, clearly done with MALICE FORETHOUGHT,
to twist a communication into a projection – the “weaponization of social media” – comes from. Origin, purpose, destiny.
About Lucifer’s “bad choices” – UB – Paper 53 – “…It is very difficult to point out the exact cause or causes which finally culminated in the Lucifer rebellion. We are certain of only one thing, and that is: Whatever these first beginnings were, they had their origin in Lucifer’s mind. There must have been a pride of self that nourished itself to the point of self-deception, so that Lucifer for a time really persuaded himself that his contemplation of rebellion was actually for the good of the system, if not of the universe. By the time his plans had developed to the point of disillusionment, no doubt he had gone too far for his original and mischief-making pride to permit him to stop. At some point in this experience he became insincere, and evil evolved into deliberate and willful sin. That this happened is proved by the subsequent conduct of this brilliant executive. He was long offered opportunity for repentance, but only some of his subordinates ever accepted the proffered mercy. The Faithful of Days of Edentia, on the request of the Constellation Fathers, in person presented the plan of Michael for the saving of these flagrant rebels, but always was the mercy of the Creator Son rejected and rejected with increasing contempt and disdain.”
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Here’s the explanation for why twisting communication into projection won’t stop among Luciferians – “….There must have been a pride of self that nourished itself to the point of self-deception, so that Lucifer for a time really persuaded himself that his contemplation of rebellion was actually for the good of the system, if not of the universe. By the time his plans had developed to the point of disillusionment, no doubt he had gone too far for his original and mischief-making pride to permit him to stop….”
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Bradly won’t stop being Bradly and I won’t stop being me….
So let’s examine what I wrote –
I said – “They are NOT “Deity” gravity circuits. Gravity is gravity. It is nothing other than gravity. Maybe go “earth centric” and think about Gravity as a TOOL of The Third Source and Center – The Conjoint Actor.
How unfortunate that history keeps repeating itself for 250,000 years because of “politics”.”
When in doubt about how “Deity” in the Papers will be defined/used, let’s go to the Foreward:
Foreword
I. Deity and Divinity
0:1.1The universe of universes presents phenomena of deity activities on diverse levels of cosmic realities, mind meanings, and spirit values, but all of these ministrations—personal or otherwise—are divinely co-ordinated.
0:1.2DEITY is personalizable as God, is prepersonal and superpersonal in ways not altogether comprehensible by man. Deity is characterized by the quality of unity—actual or potential—on all supermaterial levels of reality; and this unifying quality is best comprehended by creatures as divinity.
0:1.3Deity functions on personal, prepersonal, and superpersonal levels. Total Deity is functional on the following seven levels:
0:1.41. Static—self-contained and self-existent Deity.
0:1.52. Potential—self-willed and self-purposive Deity.
0:1.63. Associative—self-personalized and divinely fraternal Deity.
0:1.74. Creative—self-distributive and divinely revealed Deity.
0:1.85. Evolutional—self-expansive and creature-identified Deity.
0:1.96. Supreme—self-experiential and creature-Creator-unifying Deity. Deity functioning on the first creature-identificational level as time-space overcontrollers of the grand universe, sometimes designated the Supremacy of Deity.
0:1.107. Ultimate—self-projected and time-space-transcending Deity. Deity omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Deity functioning on the second level of unifying divinity expression as effective overcontrollers and absonite upholders of the master universe. As compared with the ministry of the Deities to the grand universe, this absonite function in the master universe is tantamount to universal overcontrol and supersustenance, sometimes called the Ultimacy of Deity.
0:1.11The finite level of reality is characterized by creature life and time-space limitations. Finite realities may not have endings, but they always have beginnings—they are created. The Deity level of Supremacy may be conceived as a function in relation to finite existences.
0:1.12The absonite level of reality is characterized by things and beings without beginnings or endings and by the transcendence of time and space. Absoniters are not created; they are eventuated—they simply are. The Deity level of Ultimacy connotes a function in relation to absonite realities. No matter in what part of the master universe, whenever time and space are transcended, such an absonite phenomenon is an act of the Ultimacy of Deity.
0:1.13The absolute level is beginningless, endless, timeless, and spaceless. For example: On Paradise, time and space are nonexistent; the time-space status of Paradise is absolute. This level is Trinity attained, existentially, by the Paradise Deities, but this third level of unifying Deity expression is not fully unified experientially. Whenever, wherever, and however the absolute level of Deity functions, Paradise-absolute values and meanings are manifest.
0:1.14Deity may be existential, as in the Eternal Son; experiential, as in the Supreme Being; associative, as in God the Sevenfold; undivided, as in the Paradise Trinity.
0:1.15Deity is the source of all that which is divine. Deity is characteristically and invariably divine, but all that which is divine is not necessarily Deity, though it will be co-ordinated with Deity and will tend towards some phase of unity with Deity—spiritual, mindal, or personal.
0:1.16DIVINITY is the characteristic, unifying, and co-ordinating quality of Deity.
0:1.17Divinity is creature comprehensible as truth, beauty, and goodness; correlated in personality as love, mercy, and ministry; disclosed on impersonal levels as justice, power, and sovereignty.
0:1.18Divinity may be perfect—complete—as on existential and creator levels of Paradise perfection; it may be imperfect, as on experiential and creature levels of time-space evolution; or it may be relative, neither perfect nor imperfect, as on certain Havona levels of existential-experiential relationships.
0:1.19When we attempt to conceive of perfection in all phases and forms of relativity, we encounter seven conceivable types:
0:1.201. Absolute perfection in all aspects.
0:1.212. Absolute perfection in some phases and relative perfection in all other aspects.
0:1.223. Absolute, relative, and imperfect aspects in varied association.
0:1.234. Absolute perfection in some respects, imperfection in all others.
0:1.245. Absolute perfection in no direction, relative perfection in all manifestations.
0:1.256. Absolute perfection in no phase, relative in some, imperfect in others.
0:1.267. Absolute perfection in no attribute, imperfection in all.”
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Yes, the authors encourage us to think about “gravity” as a “presence” in order to understand the point they are trying to make.
So what about the point the authors are making about gravity presence has Bradly thinking it is “Deity”?
I see gravity presence as a tool of the Third Source and Center. Don’t want to head down that “stupid” road from Paper 3 – “…It is a great blunder to humanize God, except in the concept of the indwelling Thought Adjuster, but even that is not so <mark>stupid</mark> as completely to mechanize the idea of the First Great Source and Center.”
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Most unfortunate that communication is twisted into a projection. The weaponization of social media welcomes tales of snatching female human beings under 2 years old to sexually violate as a way for some insane cult of religionists (crap they made up in their own dark minds) to judge “survival of the fittest” qualities of the female. The “news” is that instead of 5 year olds for the survival of the fittest man judge poke, the new gen is going for under 2 as a way to get it first over the elders….Nihilism, hedonism, anarchy.
No doubt about it, without the internet in the past, only the “most unfortunate” human beings whose lives are enslaved to such “religionists” – mano et mano – face to face – would be as helpless as the 1 year old to man-as-god viciousness and terror until they are not.
Evolution just IS.
Nanoseconds of communication as projection tallied up nicely with math:
More misery for others = More $$$$ for ME ME ME
Proportionate responses…?
Vegas re-inventing itself….?
Nameless wrote:
“So what [is it] about the point the authors are making about gravity presence [that] has Bradly thinking it is “Deity”?
Hi Nameless! Since these absolute gravity/presence circuits are each independently “sourced by” and “centered upon” the four absolute Sources and Centers (the three Deities plus Paradise), I understand Bradly simply to be referring to the fact that the three non-material absolute gravities are intimately, independently and fundamentally associated with the three absolute Deities (Universal Father, Eternal Son, Infinite Spirit).
When in doubt about how the Papers relate the four “absolute gravity” circuits to the four “absolute presences” of the three Deities plus Paradise, let’s go to paper 15 section 9:
“The universal circuits of Paradise do actually pervade the realms of the seven superuniverses. These presence circuits are: the personality gravity of the Universal Father, the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son, the mind gravity of the Conjoint Actor, and the material gravity of the eternal Isle.” (15:9.1)
When in doubt about how “personality, spirit, mind and matter” in the Papers will be defined/used, let’s go to the Foreword, 6.1:
“Any and all things responding to the personality circuit of the Father, we call personal. Any and all things responding to the spirit circuit of the Son, we call spirit. Any and all that responds to the mind circuit of the Conjoint Actor, we call mind, mind as an attribute of the Infinite Spirit — mind in all its phases. Any and all that responds to the material-gravity circuit centering in nether Paradise, we call matter — energy-matter in all its metamorphic states.” (Foreword, section 6)
When in doubt about how “gravity” in the Papers will be defined/used, let’s go to paper 12 section 3:
“3. Universal Gravity
All forms of force-energy — material, mindal, or spiritual — are alike subject to those grasps, those universal presences, which we call gravity. Personality also is responsive to gravity — to the Father’s exclusive circuit; but though this circuit is exclusive to the Father, he is not excluded from the other circuits; the Universal Father is infinite and acts over all four absolute-gravity circuits in the master universe:
1. The Personality Gravity of the Universal Father.
2. The Spirit Gravity of the Eternal Son.
3. The Mind Gravity of the Conjoint Actor.
4. The Cosmic Gravity of the Isle of Paradise.These four circuits are not related to the nether Paradise force center; they are neither force, energy, nor power circuits. They are absolute presence circuits and like God are independent of time and space.” (12:3.0)
Regarding the mutual friction that you and Bradly seem to enjoy fostering, this (apparently) is such an inevitable phenomenon that entire universe corps are assigned to help make smooth the way. E.g., from paper 28:5.13, The Union of Souls
“Of all the problems in the universe requiring an exercise of the consummate wisdom of experience and adaptability, none are more important than those arising out of the relationships and associations of intelligent beings. Whether in human associations of commerce and trade, friendship and marriage, or in the liaisons of the angelic hosts, there continue to arise petty frictions, minor misunderstandings too trivial even to engage the attention of conciliators but sufficiently irritating and disturbing to mar the smooth working of the universe if they were allowed to multiply and continue.” (28:5.13)
Hoping to avoid any unwitting projection of weaponized misunderstandings onto potential friends.
PS (a request): since you are rightly concerned about the rape of children, and various internet issues, could you move your alerts and protests about such things to forums that exist for solving such problems?
with thanks!
NigelHi Nigel!
As the saying goes – “the devil is in the details” – from the UB quote you provided, maybe what professional cosmologists are calling “dark matter” is not what they think it is, but in any case it IS what it IS and so far we know that the Universal Gravity Circuits are independent of time and space and are also not related to the “nether Paradise force center”.
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These four circuits are not related to the nether Paradise force center; they are neither force, energy, nor power circuits. They are absolute presence circuits and like God are independent of time and space.” (12:3.0)
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It is a philosophical issue, isn’t it? Who/Why are we? In the Papers we learn that there are only 2 classifications regarding beings, like us humans, Children of God, who are in possession of a bona-fide Personality given by God, and those 2 classifications are God-knowing or NOT God-knowing. Even Jesus commented on that FACT when addressing what you, Nigel posted:
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“Of all the problems in the universe requiring an exercise of the consummate wisdom of experience and adaptability, none are more important than those arising out of the relationships and associations of intelligent beings. Whether in human associations of commerce and trade, friendship and marriage, or in the liaisons of the angelic hosts, there continue to arise petty frictions, minor misunderstandings too trivial even to engage the attention of conciliators but sufficiently irritating and disturbing to mar the smooth working of the universe if they were allowed to multiply and continue.” (28:5.13)
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7. The Living Organism of the Grand Universe
<small>116:7.1 (1276.2)</small> The grand universe is not only a material creation of physical grandeur, spirit sublimity, and intellectual magnitude, it is also a magnificent and responsive living organism. There is actual life pulsating throughout the mechanism of the vast creation of the vibrant cosmos. The physical reality of the universes is symbolic of the perceivable reality of the Almighty Supreme; and this material and living organism is penetrated by intelligence circuits, even as the human body is traversed by a network of neural sensation paths. This physical universe is permeated by energy lanes which effectively activate material creation, even as the human body is nourished and energized by the circulatory distribution of the assimilable energy products of nourishment. The vast universe is not without those co-ordinating centers of magnificent overcontrol which might be compared to the delicate chemical-control system of the human mechanism. But if you only knew something about the physique of a power center, we could, by analogy, tell you so much more about the physical universe.
<small>116:7.2 (1276.3)</small> Much as mortals look to solar energy for life maintenance, so does the grand universe depend upon the unfailing energies emanating from nether Paradise to sustain the material activities and cosmic motions of space.
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Thanks for the brotherly observation about lively philosophical discussions, but there seems to be mounting evidence as to how NOT God-knowing people are making up stuff about what is “allowed” to be “communications” between God-knowing beings.
At this point in time, the internet is a real crap product, in general, that can’t keep up with reality. If you use google maps, the human colonies worldwide wiped out just this past month by fire, wind, and floods, plus rioting and war, haven’t been “updated” other than some satellite or drone photographs.
So what is the first “job” out of the gate that centers around a philosophy of living that sees Earth as a Nursery of Life that needs constant maintenance FOR Life – a google mapper, or clean up and builders?
As for the issue of “education” – the raising of human children, which takes more time than the nanoseconds already extracting “time as money” from their parent’s “jobs” that are other than being a parent, I am certain that there are “problems” among “long-time readers” of the UB because when I was enrolled in the Urantia Foundation Forum email program, the first few emails arriving in my aol email account were between forumites who were talking about a group of pedophiles. That was back in 1991.
Can you direct me, Nigel, to ANY “thread” going back to what those readers did about the pedophiles back in 1991? Would appreciate it.
Just like now and then, someone pops onto the remaining UB reader discussion forums to ask in amazement, “….how can a reader of the UB vote for Trump….?!!!”
I could ask the same questions about UB “readers” and their mind permutations about this last straw of cosmic insanity response to a virus….
Every “technology” has been weaponized against Life on this Nursery of Life, at least that is what “they” bragging about doing – creating the post-human wha’ever that a virus is making possible….
Proportionate response to “deconstructing”?
UB – “The physical reality of the universes is symbolic of the perceivable reality of the Almighty Supreme; and this material and living organism is penetrated by intelligence circuits, even as the human body is traversed by a network of neural sensation paths.”
Good start is to make it less “convenient” to turn “communications” into “projections”.
It gets vicious – no other word fits. Luciferians even killed off the fandors rather than let the God-knowing colonies thrive outside their tyrannical “political” grasp of the Nursery of Life. Talk about failing at the “job”…
Hey, at least it is all on one “cloud”, and mercifully, once that data bank is destroyed, there will be no way to put it all back together again. Weaponization GONE. War over. “Internet” gone like the fandors
Good news – Nigel will be Nigel, Bradly will be Bradly, and I will be me.
Off to water the plants and feed the wild and free roaming peacocks in this CITY neighborhood that were abandoned by the original pet owners when their home was foreclosed on back in 2008 – 9. Even the peacocks have stabilized their numbers from the first couple of years of roaming wild when they had broods of 10 or more that were not sustainable. Guess even they figured out the math for the peacock to land ratio….
Paper 195 – consider it a “UB for dummies” Paper.
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Thanks Nigel. You got it right above:“Since these absolute gravity/presence circuits are each independently “sourced by” and “centered upon” the four absolute Sources and Centers (the three Deities plus Paradise), I understand Bradly simply to be referring to the fact that the three non-material absolute gravities are intimately, independently and fundamentally associated with the three absolute Deities (Universal Father, Eternal Son, Infinite Spirit).“Not only “associated with” but the source of and center of and controller of and upholder of and destiny of….the Deity Gravity Circuits. “Deity” does not describe the gravity circuits AS Deity but as from, by, and to Deity…. In fact we are told in 9:6.1…“….. mind-gravity circuit which focalizes in the Third Source and Center and is a part of the personal consciousness of the Infinite Spirit.”The Gravity Circuits of Personality, Spirit, and Mind are not mechanistic. None are diminished by time or space or distance. Each circuit is completely created by and dispersed by and controlled by and responsive to one of the original Paradise Personalities. They are named the Gravity Circuits OF the Father and OF the Son, and Of the Third Source and Center. They are called and described as “absolute presence circuits”. Why? Whose presence? Deity’s presence. The gravity circuits are not Deity…but evidently they are in some way considered the “presence” of Deity throughout the universe of universes. Definition of of :
1—used as a function word to indicate a point of reckoning
north of the lake2a—used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation
a man of noble birth
b—used as a function word to indicate the cause, motive, or reason
died of flu
c: BY
plays of Shakespeare
d: on the part of
very kind of you
e: occurring in
a fish of the western Atlantic3—used as a function word to indicate the component material, parts, or elements or the contents
throne of gold
cup of water4a—used as a function word to indicate the whole that includes the part denoted by the preceding word
most of the army
b—used as a function word to indicate a whole or quantity from which a part is removed or expended
gave of his time5a: relating to : ABOUT
stories of her travels
b: in respect to
slow of speech6a—used as a function word to indicate belonging or a possessive relationship
king of England
b—used as a function word to indicate relationship between a result determined by a function or operation and a basic entity
a function of x7—used as a function word to indicate something from which a person or thing is delivered
eased of her painIn the Papers we learn that there are only 2 classifications regarding beings, like us humans, Children of God, who are in possession of a bona-fide Personality given by God, and those 2 classifications are God-knowing or NOT God-knowing.
Actually nameless, that’s not what the UB says at all. An interesting claim that is incomplete at least. Perhaps the actual text might be helpful?
There are those who can know God and who cannot…and those who know God and who do not and those who align their will with God and who do not. Only God knows motives. And who “knows” God? Even children and primitives do. Very interesting.
So…as I recall there are certain orders of descending Sons who know God only by and through the Paradise Creator Sons and the Existential Son of the Trinity. And what of the angels and other celestials? Are they “God-knowing”? In what way I wonder?
It is fascinating that those furthest from God are also those nearest to God when endowed with the God Fragment within. The ascending orders who can receive the Thought Adjusters actually can know God in ways no others can! That includes mortals and midwayers and Guardian Angels and Material Sons and Daughters….that I remember.
I’ve often wondered too about the difference in the corporeal staff who had Adjusters until they volunteered to come to Urantia. What did it feel like to become disconnected from the TA? Even temporarily? It was a long, long time. Was there a new sense of isolation or loneliness? Were they progressed enough that there soul-mind had a continuous connection somehow to….whom?
God knows every personality through the personality circuit and certainly knows every mind through the mind and reflectivity circuits and all spirit beings through the circuitry for personality, mind, and spirit. But what of the personalities in time and space? How do they/we “know” God? With mortals, there is the Divine Presence…first the Holy Spirit and then the Father Fragment/Thought Adjuster. But what of those without Adjusters?
I look forward to actual text posted related to the issue and questions!
This declaration by nameless is patently and obviously false no matter how many times it is repeated by nameless:
Nameless says: “They are NOT “Deity” gravity circuits. Gravity is gravity. It is nothing other than gravity.”
5:6.10 (71.5) The personality circuit of the universe of universes is centered in the person of the Universal Father, and the Paradise Father is personally conscious of, and in personal touch with, all personalities of all levels of self-conscious existence. And this personality consciousness of all creation exists independently of the mission of the Thought Adjusters.
5:6.11 (71.6) As all gravity is circuited in the Isle of Paradise, as all mind is circuited in the Conjoint Actor and all spirit in the Eternal Son, so is all personality circuited in the personal presence of the Universal Father, and this circuit unerringly transmits the worship of all personalities to the Original and Eternal Personality.
56:3.1 (639.1) As the universal mind gravity is centered in the Paradise personal presence of the Infinite Spirit, so does the universal spirit gravity center in the Paradise personal presence of the Eternal Son….
Me here: The Deity Gravity Circuits….indeed so!!!
This is in no way appropriate – do your own homework: Uppity Bradly sez, “Actually nameless, that’s not what the UB says at all. An interesting claim that is incomplete at least. Perhaps the actual text might be helpful?”
https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/search?keys=god-knowing&op=Search
I am not getting PAID by atheists to keep their “orgy of death and darkness” adorned with cosmic grandeur – are you, Bradly? Full disclosure time….I am a descendent of WWII refugees from Eastern Europe, so I have heard many personal stories about how ATHEISM became the official STATE MANDATED “religion” of Communism. FACT. Here’s the other FACT – SEPARATION of church and state is the SACRED feature of USA government, and that’s what makes USA “exceptional”. What a cosmic JOKE to replace THAT philosophy for living with a “social rating” score on websites that ILLEGALLY did data mining of GOVERNMENT websites. We the People agreed to that data being HELD IN TRUST by an institution of government for the protection of our “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”, not to be exploited for some monetization scheme in the Grifters Paradise of the Internet, or far worse, by the biologic threat of one billion atheists on an ant march for resources across the planet.
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God is love, but love is not God.
Did I EVER say that Gravity created itself….?! Where do you see that the creation of the UNIVERSAL GRAVITY CIRCUITS is explained as “Deity” even in the cut and pastes you provided?
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Hi Nigel – Are there any forum conversation threads from the beginning of internet UB study groups from any time across all the self-proclaimed UB websites (nothing is ever really “gone” from the internet, right?)
that get into a decent conversation about “nether Paradise”?
Obviously, “black holes” have some “gravity” going on
But also this from Paper 116. 7.1 – “The vast universe is not without those co-ordinating centers of magnificent overcontrol which might be compared to the delicate chemical-control system of the human mechanism.”
“Delicate”….curious choice of words. Indicates to me that there IS a limit that can be break any person’s HEALTH from afar, no less. Nothing wrong in making that kind of dystopian horror less “convenient” for everyone. Look at how easily politics is won or lost by how many people hate people from afar, “conveniently” thanks to the “internet”.
Under the current TRAGIC situation of corporations doing to science what state did to religion (talk about an Amendment to the Bill of Rights being called for!), billions of tax-payers $$$$ will continue to be funneled to keep the convenience of the math – More misery for others = More $$$$ for ME ME ME
Tragic because the amount of TRUTH DATA that will never see the light of day about Who/Why are we as a human beings is the “darkness” part of the “orgy of death and destruction” that is the stigma of Luciferians – by their complete lack of DEITY ATRRIBUTES (truth, beauty, goodness) can you see, hear, feel them.
Oh, and please do not forget, Nigel, to share the pedophile tracking threads….or something along those lines because I would find it unbelievable that there could be some sentence in the UB that can be cut and pasted out of context to support sexual assault and battery of human beings from birth onward by those entrusted by State with “raising” children.
https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/search?keys=nether+paradise&op=Search
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