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    leon14
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    I just decided to make a post about whether or the “New Thought” movement is coming back, whether it never went away or else has been absorbed into what could be called “New Age/spirituality”. Or even absorbed into mainstream religion without the adherants realising it. The era termed New Thought can be used to encompass a number of writings, people and movements; among them being the Urantia Book, I would say the era would cover the years from 1850-1950 in which the American Civil War, WW1 and WW2 occured. These events and others of similar nature made people to throw caution to the wind in regards to the orthodoxy and dogma of the mainstream established religions; these religions simply ignored spirituality or just refused to deal with it. Instead they became just political branches and social clubs and this is evident especially today; 100 years ago if you were to say you were into the occult or spirituality that was enough to get you lynched so the term ‘metaphysics’ came into common use.

    I am not a Urantia Book ‘adherant’, I have not read the book apart from about 50 pages in various parts. I just found that the length of the book would require a large amount of reading, studying and time to fully comprehend, at the time I was involved in the occult and being a young adult. Maybe you would like to know a bit about me…

    12-13 _ theistic satanist
    13-19 _ tried Christianity didnt understand the logic of allowing people to beat you up, I threw it away
    19-23 _ returned to theistic satanism because I knew of nothing else
    23+ _ practical Kabbalah

    I’ve studied various things from rosicrucianism to voodoo and have learned bits and pieces that todays mainstream faiths have deemed taboo. I cannot find the Urantia Book any less valid than the 38+ versions of the Bible, especially when you consider that the period between the Old and New Testaments has basically been obliterated (the Apocrypha and gnostic writings). Add in that modern Christianity has been infected with the ‘prosperity’ theology and churches resemble stages from a drama play. Also you have problems with the Koran where Arab muslims say ‘if its not in Arabic then its not the Koran!’; considering that arabs are 15% of muslims its doubtful that the other 85% are fluent in reading and writing Arabic, the biggest muslim country is Indonesia. Now we see alleged ‘hadiths’ taking place of the Koran which have been added to and subtracted from and repackaged in a modern context. As for Judaism? This seems to be a tribal affliation as most adherants are atheist, deist or pantheist.
    Seeing as the Abrahamic faiths are in such bad shape then how can any of their adherants claim the Urantia Book is a fraud?

    But I will delve into teachings from the Kabbalah which may or may not confirm your beliefs in the UB, if you want to correct me thats fine. I am not adverse to other opinions.

    I think I am recalling from the UB this bit of text (or something similar) – ” there are other worlds/planets [unsure] some are better than [earth?] some are worse”.
    The ‘Godwins Cabalistic Encyclopedia’ lists ‘earths’ in relation to the sephiroth on the Tree of Life, I will use the Midrash Konen listing.

    Aretz (Earth)
    Adamah (Earth)
    Charabhah (Parched Land)
    Tziah (Dryness)
    Yabbashah (Dry Land)
    Arqa (Earth)
    Tebhel (World)
    Cheled (World)

    Our Earth in comprised of Tebhel (Immanent) and Cheled (Transcendant), Arqa contains the seven hells and the others are inhabited by men who do not have Adam as their ancestor. I recommend the Godwins Cabalistic Encyclopedia for further reading and is my key reference book, if you want to get into Kabbalah.
    So in Kabbalah there are 4 worlds (planes of existance) these are Atziluth (Emanation), Briah (Creation), Yetzirah (Formation) and Assiah (World of Action aka the physical). The Tree of Life exists in all 4 worlds but in Assiah it is joined to the Tree of Death at this earth (commonly called the Tree of Life and Death of the knowledge of good and evil). In the highest sephira of the Tree of Death which is called Thaumiel there is not one ruler but two, first there is Satan (ha-Shaitan). Satan is a title and in common lore is held by Lucifer, the other occupant of Thaumiel is Moloch and they are for want of a better term ‘joint rulers’. But it may interest you that the name Caligastia was occasionally mentioned in theistic satanism when I was practicing. Caligastia wasnt just a run of the mill demon, it was a name which no one wanted to mention. Much like Moloch who people never mentioned and who was/is regarded as psychotic and unpredictable, whether Caligastia and Moloch are one and the same I dont know. Lets just say I have suspicions.

    Anyway I will just end it up here for now, I didnt especially want to go on a lecture on practical Kabbalah. Just food for thought really.

    My God is Jehovah if you want to know.

    PS… I can add on more if you want, and add on Enochian Magic

    My email - [email protected]

    #28801
    Bonita
    Bonita
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    I think I am recalling from the UB this bit of text (or something similar) – ” there are other worlds/planets [unsure] some are better than [earth?] some are worse”.

    I’ve read the book several times and do not recall such a “bit of text”.  Better or worse in what way?  Do you mean in regards to progress in the stages of light and life?

    Regardless, this is not an appropriate discussion for this sub-forum.  Since you are a new reader, perhaps you could submit your question to this sub-forum:  New Urantia Book Readers

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    Nigel Nunn
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    Hi leon14 – given your enthusiasm and experience, you might like to begin reading the first 17 pages.  This is called the “Foreword”, and is designed to set the scene, and highlight some important bits.  The remaining 196 papers serve to unfold the concepts (conceptual poetry) of those first 17 pages.

    Also, if possible, read a large format version, either on a big screen or an original hard cover version (26 x 21 cm).  Some folks are trying to study these papers as stray paragraphs on tiny mobile phones…

    Welcome to the forum!

    Nigel

     

    #28806
    Bradly
    Bradly
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    Welcome to the Forum Leon!!

    Wow…lots to consider here.  First, let me agree that the UB is an elephant to digest which takes time, focus, thought, prayer, application, and sincere truth seeking study to even begin to appreciate…let alone understand.  Of course, enlightening and truth and wisdom all take a lifetime to acquire.  The UB teaches that it takes much longer than a mortal lifetime of experience to attain our potential in truth, beauty, and goodness.  Those who do not take such time as required to study the UB in its entirety may be disappointed in their efforts.  Many approach the teachings merely to confirm our prior preconceptions about reality and our personal philosophy for living.  But those who make the effort and can sincerely consider their/our own preconceptions in contrast to new and greater information in a way which sets aside prejudice (preconception and loyalty to it) and offers the mind the freedom and flexibility to transcend current beliefs for the pursuit of truth are seldom disappointed in such studies.

    A theistic Satanist offers much to consider in contrast to the UB’s teachings of universe reality.  The UB speaks exhaustively of Lucifer, Satan, and the Devil (3 distinct beings fallen from grace) in our local universe history.  To worship or seek contact with such dark characters indicates a belief in a greater universe order than is known by our science and a belief in God if also a defiance of the First Source and Center.  We have met apologists here before for those who fell from grace and who have claimed unfair treatment of the rebels and a suspicion of God….and God’s purpose, power, plan, and intentions toward creation.  You may find Lucifer’s Manifesto an interesting point of reference in Paper 53.  I would imagine that a Satanist must have a personal disappointment in God and in Love and in Truth, Beauty, and Goodness?  And might be seeking some reason and explanation for our world’s lowly, confused, and dark state of affairs?

    One who seeks such answers will find them in the pages of the UB….they are many and all are given ample explanations for those who seek to understand.  I can see how a theistic Satanist and a Kabbalahist might coexist within a single mind.  One must have both good and evil to embrace either one I would think.  The UB also has many pages of teachings related to the source of evil and the effects of evil on the individual, the group, a world, and even in heaven itself.  I find it odd that one’s mind might lead it to embrace evil as superior to good when either might be chosen.  One seeks the reward for one’s beliefs and acts I think so a Satanist must believe in such a reward for the embrace of darkness and in opposition to light.

    While the UB certainly contradicts the notion that God is the origin of both good and evil, it does spend much time explaining the source of evil….it is inherent in the gift of free will God gives to each being in creation.  Inherent potential for evil results merely from inexperience, ignorance, foolish self importance, impatience, and the choices which come by such a mind which is not itself Divine, perfect, or experientially wise.  So God does not create evil…but God does allow for the contrast of evil for the inexperienced mind to discover the better, higher, truer, and more noble Way to Be.  To worship or embrace that which we know to be evil is a dangerous and impractical motivation for such free will choices.

    While I welcome you to offer comparative religious studies here, I suggest you actually read and study whole Papers in the UB and then offer your consideration to those issues which compare favorably or are contrasted or offer direct contradiction and that you do so with an open heart and mind….the approach of a sincere fellow truth seeker.  None here seek conversion nor seek to convert others.  But this a UB study group and all issues and questions will be answered with the teachings we study here together….the Urantia Papers.  If you are unwilling to commit to such time and such a method, then I fear you will not be among us very long.  And that would be a pity as I find your posts here so far to be interesting, challenging, and worthy of comparative analysis!

    Thanks for your voice.

     

    #28808
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    leon14
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    I think I am recalling from the UB this bit of text (or something similar) – ” there are other worlds/planets [unsure] some are better than [earth?] some are worse”.

    I’ve read the book several times and do not recall such a “bit of text”. Better or worse in what way? Do you mean in regards to progress in the stages of light and life? Regardless, this is not an appropriate discussion for this sub-forum. Since you are a new reader, perhaps you could submit your question to this sub-forum: New Urantia Book Readers

    I assume it would be to all things, Ive tried to recall where I read it. Maybe it was a commentary relating to the UB ?

    I agree it wasnt appropriate to post in this section, but thats why I think this forum should have a ‘miscellaneous’ sub forum. You will have more people posting if they think it wouldnt be unwelcome, after all wont you be stronger in your faith if it is challenged?

    My email - [email protected]

    #28809
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    leon14
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    Hi leon14 – given your enthusiasm and experience, you might like to begin reading the first 17 pages. This is called the “Foreword”, and is designed to set the scene, and highlight some important bits. The remaining 196 papers serve to unfold the concepts (conceptual poetry) of those first 17 pages. Also, if possible, read a large format version, either on a big screen or an original hard cover version (26 x 21 cm). Some folks are trying to study these papers as stray paragraphs on tiny mobile phones… Welcome to the forum! Nigel

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    Thanks Nigel.
    I remember when libraries here (Sydney Australia) had the Urantia book in most of them, but they seem to have been largely discarded. Not only the UB but other books that were hardcore occult/metaphysics only to be replaced by books on celebrities and cooking shows. Whether this is designed to dumb down libraries and discourage readers in general or not I dont know. But it is having this very effect.

    My email - [email protected]

    #28810
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    leon14
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    Thanks Bradly, youve left me a lot to answer but all things should be out in the open and this is where thinking and conversation spring from. I’ll comment on the 5 paragraphs with numbers.

    1. Yes the UB is over whelming at first sight, when I first encountered it I was a theistic Satanist and also had recently joined the Rosicrucians. I was addicted to ‘forbidden knowledge’ and had too much on my plate, I did not have a UB that I could read in my own time. In addition I wanted things ‘quick and easy’ as I did not have the knowledge to digest something like the UB.

    2. Satanists break into 3 categories I have found
    5% are just plain evil
    5% want to practice the occult (that was my motivation)
    90% are just desperate people in desperate situations

    3. Problem is that most people today want instant answers instead of seeking and judging for themselves, we see this in groupthink or hivemind. I became involved in Kabbalah because as a Satanist I was seeking to improve my ‘evil’. It was my intention to study Kabbalah and pervert it to use with my Satanist ‘magic’, but my study led me to realise that Satanism had no occult value in comparison. I realised I was practicing sorcery not occult magic and everything that I believed was based on untruths and lies (but somehow worked). The thing about being in the camp of evil is that you donot believe that you have chosen evil but just another alternative lifestyle. And yes, Satanists do believe that there will be a reward. But that reward is viewed as getting a slice of a pie, the more people who are entitled to a slice then the thinner your slice gets. Hence the encouragment of atheism, you might declare war on God but if you are not in the service of Satan then you are entitled to nothing.

    4. God is above good and evil and when you look at it all Satan really does is offer you the option of evil. There is no compulsion to act on it, it is your autonomy or free choice to enact on it.

    5. Actually its the writings on Jesus that I am drawn to, I suppose that I never really had much time for Jesus largely due to the ‘kumbayah’ machinations of the churches. Sometimes I wondered if the ministers of the churches actually believed in him, it seems that the churches devolved into racially based social clubs. Any message regarding Jesus just came across as hollow, commercialised and politically correct, it seems as though he had nothing to tell us.

    But yes this is a UB study group and I respect that. I will download the UB or get a printed copy and take it from there, somehow I dont think that the writings will be totally alien to me.
    Maybe I have just taken a long road around to finding it?

    If anyone wants to make comparisons about UB texts with the likes of Kabbalah etc… just contact me

    My email - [email protected]

    #28811
    Bonita
    Bonita
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    I agree it wasnt appropriate to post in this section, but thats why I think this forum should have a ‘miscellaneous’ sub forum.

    Yes, this is an inappropriate sub-forum.  There are multiple sub-forms which you might consider choosing.  If you are inspired, how about the Inspiration sub-forum?  If you want to share your personal experiences with religion, then how about the Personal Experiences sub-forum?  If you would like to learn more about the Urantia Book, which is one of the purposes of this forum, then how about the New Urantia Book Readers sub-forum?  If you want to offer a service, then how about the Service Connection sub-forum?  Lots of choices.  May I suggest you pick one of those sub-forums for further discussion? Appropriate material for this sub-forum is described on the opening page: Please post any questions, comments or suggestions relating to the Forums here. An Admin person will respond.

    That being said, the Urantia Book does not support magic, mysticism or the occult.

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