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    Richard E Warren
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    Where is that quote about male and female ever seeking each others’ company, even to Paradise? Anyone recall?

     

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    #27593
    Richard E Warren
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    Found it!

     

    – (84:6.6) Men and women need each other in their morontial and spiritual as well as in their mortal careers. The differences in viewpoint between male and female persist even beyond the first life and throughout the local and superuniverse ascensions. And even in Havona, the pilgrims who were once men and women will still be aiding each other in the Paradise ascent. Never, even in the Corps of the Finality, will the creature metamorphose so far as to obliterate the personality trends that humans call male and female; always will these two basic variations of humankind continue to intrigue, stimulate, encourage, and assist each other; always will they be mutually dependent on co-operation in the solution of perplexing universe problems and in the overcoming of manifold cosmic difficulties.

     

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    Richard E Warren

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    Where is that quote about male and female ever seeking each others’ company, even to Paradise? Anyone recall?

    Found it! –

    (84:6.6) Men and women need each other in their morontial and spiritual as well as in their mortal careers. The differences in viewpoint between male and female persist even beyond the first life and throughout the local and superuniverse ascensions. And even in Havona, the pilgrims who were once men and women will still be aiding each other in the Paradise ascent. Never, even in the Corps of the Finality, will the creature metamorphose so far as to obliterate the personality trends that humans call male and female; always will these two basic variations of humankind continue to intrigue, stimulate, encourage, and assist each other; always will they be mutually dependent on co-operation in the solution of perplexing universe problems and in the overcoming of manifold cosmic difficulties.

    Rick, when reading this UB passage, it reminds me of an associated theory in “Gnosticism” more specifically “Valentinianism” where in order to be complete both the masculine and feminine must come together in order to contain the problems of the cosmos.  Where a portion of this explanation is referenced “Salvation” or “Soteriology” as mentioned below:

     

    Soteriology
    Salvation is not merely individual redemption of each human soul; it is a cosmic process. It is the return of all things to what they were before the flaw in the sphere of the Aeons brought matter into existence and imprisoned some part of the Divine Light into the evil Hyle (matter). This setting free of the light sparks is the process of salvation; when all light shall have left Hyle, it will be burnt up and destroyed.

    In Valentinianism the process is extraordinarily elaborate, and we find here developed particularly clearly the myth of the heavenly marriage. This myth, as we shall see more fully below, and as may be mentioned here, is of great significance for the practical piety of the Valentinian Gnostics. It is the chief idea of their pious practices mystically to repeat the experience of this celestial union of the Saviour with Sophia. In this respect, consequently, the myth underwent yet wider development. Just as the Saviour is the bridegroom of Sophia, so the heavenly angels, who sometimes appear as the sons of the Saviour and Sophia, sometimes as the escort of the Saviour, are the males betrothed to the souls of the Gnostics, which are looked upon as feminine. Thus every Gnostic had her unfallen counterpart standing in the presence of God, and the object of a pious life was to bring about and experience this inner union with the celestial abstract personage. This leads us straight to the sacramental ideas of this branch of Gnosticism (see below). And it also explains the expression used of the Gnostics in Irenaeus, that they always meditate upon the secret of the heavenly union (the Syzygia).

    “The final consummation of all things will take place when all that is spiritual has been formed and perfected by gnosis.”

    Where in some form the joining of the Thought Adjuster with the personality as with above “to bring about and experience this inner union with the celestial abstract personage.”  Where the counter passage of purpose or intention is found in the following:

    (1182.4) 107:6.2 The Adjuster is man’s eternity possibility; man is the Adjuster’s personality possibility. Your individual Adjusters work to spiritize you in the hope of eternalizing your temporal identity. The Adjusters are saturated with the beautiful and self-bestowing love of the Father of spirits. They truly and divinely love you; they are the prisoners of spirit hope confined within the minds of men. They long for the divinity attainment of your mortal minds that their loneliness may end, that they may be delivered with you from the limitations of material investiture and the habiliments of time. *

    However, in your reference to male and female, it is the Valentinian belief that the materialization of the universe separated spirit from matter, in order to create the material universe, and now requires that, in order to be complete, matter must be spiritualized, or in essence male and female must come together in order to work together as one, to once again trinitize with God as the creator.

     

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    Found it! – (84:6.6) Men and women need each other in their morontial and spiritual as well as in their mortal careers. The differences in viewpoint between male and female persist even beyond the first life and throughout the local and superuniverse ascensions. And even in Havona, the pilgrims who were once men and women will still be aiding each other in the Paradise ascent. Never, even in the Corps of the Finality, will the creature metamorphose so far as to obliterate the personality trends that humans call male and female; always will these two basic variations of humankind continue to intrigue, stimulate, encourage, and assist each other; always will they be mutually dependent on co-operation in the solution of perplexing universe problems and in the overcoming of manifold cosmic difficulties. ***

    and then there is the mother (female) father (male) influence that is the foundation of the family, the backbone of civilization.

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    There also is the seraphic and Cherubic positively and negatively charged personality (including the gradation between the extreme personality poles) which influences sexual/gender expression in humans. It has been speculated by some TUB readers which, I think warrants consideration, that alternative sexual identity, be it, homosexuality, bisexuality or sexual fluidity,  is an indirect result of this influence.

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