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Sometimes the UB gives us precise definitions of words. This is one of them.
16:7.6 Virtue is righteousness — conformity with the cosmos. To name virtues is not to define them, but to live them is to know them. Virtue is not mere knowledge nor yet wisdom but rather the reality of progressive experience in the attainment of ascending levels of cosmic achievement. In the day-by-day life of mortal man, virtue is realized by the consistent choosing of good rather than evil, and such choosing ability is evidence of the possession of a moral nature.
Virtue is conformity with the cosmos realized by the consistent choosing of good over evil. Virtue seems to be tied to morality. Yet morals can either conform with the cosmos or not. Some human morals are down right hideous. Virtue seems to be the highest of morality we are capable of, which is ever evolving toward’s God’s will – eventually achieving light and life. Just thinking out loud here.
Sometimes the UB gives us precise definitions of words. This is one of them.
I find the earlier papers to be more to my liking. Perhaps it is because the authors are wiser.
Just thinking out loud here.
Thinking out load is good because it is honest. The hypocrite thinks too much before speaking or acting. We must all think out load more.
Looking more closely at the relationship between virtue and morality, one comes to realize that virtue is at the high end of the morality continuum. Not all morality is righteous, but every honest and sincere attempt at morality creates the capacity to bring one closer to virtue, which is righteous. We all have this capacity for virtue, or righteousness. We’re told that it is indigenous to human personality (16:7.1)We’re also told that a sense of proportion is required in the exercise of virtue due to the influences of delusion, distortion and deception. (16:7.7)
Is virtue legislated in Nebadon? Is it forced? Is the lack of virtue punished? Are we free to lack virtue or must we conform to cosmic realities?
In the day-by-day life of mortal man, virtue is realized by the consistent choosing of good rather than evil, and such choosing ability is evidence of the possession of a moral nature.(16:7.6)
Choosing ability requires freedom. We must be free in order to have a moral nature. The denial of liberty and freedom, even a little bit, steels away a creature’s moral nature.
Would Michael steel our moral nature? Would Gabriel? If either one attempts to even a little bit, we cannot posses virtue. If Gabriel attempts to steel from a brother he has done it to you.
Looking more closely at the relationship between virtue and morality, one comes to realize that virtue is at the high end of the morality continuum. Not all morality is righteous, but every honest and sincere attempt at morality creates the capacity to bring one closer to virtue, which is righteous. We all have this capacity for virtue, or righteousness. We’re told that it is indigenous to human personality (16:7.1)We’re also told that a sense of proportion is required in the exercise of virtue due to the influences of delusion, distortion and deception. (16:7.7)
Virtue is realized by the consistent choosing of good rather than evil. The ministry of the evolution of the moral nature:
111:2:9 This supernal transaction of evolving the immortal soul is made possible because the mortal mind is first personal and second is in contact with superanimal realities; it possesses a supermaterial endowment of cosmic ministry which insures the evolution of a moral nature capable of making moral decisions, thereby effecting a bona fide creative contact with the associated spiritual ministries and with the indwelling Thought Adjuster.True morality:
84:7:30 Family life is the progenitor of true morality, the ancestor of the consciousness of loyalty to duty. The enforced associations of family life stabilize personality and stimulate its growth through the compulsion of necessitous adjustment to other and diverse personalities. But even more, a true family — a good family — reveals to the parental procreators the attitude of the Creator to his children, while at the same time such true parents portray to their children the first of a long series of ascending disclosures of the love of the Paradise parent of all universe children.
Which takes us over to the topic “Living Loyally” http://urantia-association.org/forums/topic/living-loyally/
Virtue is realized by the consistent choosing of good rather than evil. The ministry of the evolution of the moral nature:
Be careful with your words. There is no “ministry of evolution”, it is the spirit ministries TO the evolving moral nature of man.
84:7:30 Family life is the progenitor of true morality, the ancestor of the consciousness of loyalty to duty. T
Loyalty and duty do not preclude freedom and liberty. They just subject them to the Golden Rule. There is no freedom and liberty in to to others what you would not have done to your self. There is freedom and liberty in doing for others what you would wish others to do for you.
Virtue is realized by the consistent choosing of good rather than evil. The ministry of the evolution of the moral nature:
Be careful with your words. There is no “ministry of evolution”, it is the spirit ministries TO the evolving moral nature of man.
The context:
16:7:6 Virtue is righteousness — conformity with the cosmos. To name virtues is not to define them, but to live them is to know them. Virtue is not mere knowledge nor yet wisdom but rather the reality of progressive experience in the attainment of ascending levels of cosmic achievement. In the day-by-day life of mortal man, virtue is realized by the consistent choosing of good rather than evil, and such choosing ability is evidence of the possession of a moral nature.See also:111:2:9 This supernal transaction of evolving the immortal soul is made possible because the mortal mind is first personal and second is in contact with superanimal realities; it possesses a supermaterial endowment of cosmic ministry which insures the evolution of a moral nature capable of making moral decisions, thereby effecting a bona fide creative contact with the associated spiritual ministries and with the indwelling Thought Adjuster.Virtue is realized by the consistent choosing of good rather than evil. The ministry of the evolution of the moral nature:
I agree Mara. The evolution of the moral nature is a ministry. And sometimes evolution itself is a ministry, when it weeds out the unfit, physically, mentally or morally.
The moral nature does evolve in normal people. And this evolution is aided by the ministry of spirit influences. The adjutant mind spirits are agents of evolution. Failure to allow the spirit of wisdom to coordinate the other six adjutants would result in non-survival of the unfit.
36:5.1It is the presence of the seven adjutant mind-spirits on the primitive worlds that conditions the course of organic evolution; that explains why evolution is purposeful and not accidental.
Neither morality nor virtue can be advanced by governments.
16:7:9 Morality can never be advanced by law or by force. It is a personal and freewill matter and must be disseminated by the contagion of the contact of morally fragrant persons with those who are less morally responsive, but who are also in some measure desirous of doing the Father’s will.I agree Mara. The evolution of the moral nature is a ministry. And sometimes evolution itself is a ministry, when it weeds out the unfit, physically, mentally or morally.
If evolution is a ministry, then where is the mind behind it? Where is the PERSON doing the ministering?
Quoting TUB does relieve you from the rigors of thinking for yourselves. It is safe from criticism because, as your object of idolatry, it is shielded from question or opposition.
Bonita wrote: I agree Mara. The evolution of the moral nature is a ministry. And sometimes evolution itself is a ministry, when it weeds out the unfit, physically, mentally or morally.
If evolution is a ministry, then where is the mind behind it? Where is the PERSON doing the ministering?
Quoting TUB does relieve you from the rigors of thinking for yourselves. It is safe from criticism because, as your object of idolatry, it is shielded from question or opposition.
You mentioned in other posts, and topics, your purpose to push persons to “deeper thinking” but, many of your response replies have become, in themselves, idols of your own making, where you indicate that readers of the Urantia Book have made the book into an idol, by accusation without using “the rigors of thinking”, as you put it, therefore devoicing yourself “from criticism because” you fail to evolve that which you, have indicated, regarding the UB, that you believe (wholeheartedly) that which is stated in the Urantia Book to be true. You question the use of the word “ministry”, why — is it that you believe it only to refer to a religious order, which would be ministered by an individual? Do you not know the use of “ministry” as a collective of executives , a complete body of governance ordained to perform a service or function. Therefore when you ask “Where is the PERSON doing the ministering?”, I would suggest that they are persons which are under a co-ordination, which have evolved over time and space. When comparing the religious form of “ministry”, it would imply an ordination to, and for, specific function, the UB also uses “co-ordination” in lieu of “coordination” where when used as intended by the authors of the UB, should question its meaning because it would indicate a multiple or cooperative of the word ordination. Therefore a “minister” is “ordained” through “ordination”, and a “ministry” would be a co-ordination of ministers, whereby the evolution or change of something, or reality, or even personality, is ministered over by a ministry according to the UB:
(8.2) 0:5.2 Reality is subject to universal expansion, personality to infinite diversification, and both are capable of well-nigh unlimited Deity co-ordination and eternal stabilization. While the metamorphic range of nonpersonal reality is definitely limited, we know of no limitations to the progressive evolution of personality realities.
I hope that this is not too deep for you to understand, because it would seem, by your replies, that your approach may be too simple.
I hope that this is not too deep for you to understand, because it would seem, by your replies, that your approach may be too simple.
Too simple for words. Evolution happens. It is not under ministration. You have made an idol of TUB but also of every book you have ever read, especially the dictionary. You think that that book give words meaning but it really does not.
many of your response replies have become, in themselves, idols of your own making,
My responses cannot be idols because they belong to me, a person of personality status.
Therefore a “minister” is “ordained” through “ordination”, and a “ministry” would be a co-ordination of ministers, whereby the evolution or change of something, or reality, or even personality, is ministered over by a ministry according to the UB:
(8.2) 0:5.2 Reality is subject to universal expansion, personality to infinite diversification, and both are capable of well-nigh unlimited Deity co-ordination and eternal stabilization. While the metamorphic range of nonpersonal reality is definitely limited, we know of no limitations to the progressive evolution of personality realities.
Reality does not change. Personality does not change. How can the changeless be ministered over by a ministry? Expansion of reality is not a change in reality. Diversification of personality is not a change in personality.
Progressive evolution is expansion without change. God creates and lives in his expanding Universe yet He changes not.
Please think, even if it is in the shallows.
My responses cannot be idols because they belong to me, a person of personality status.
So then you where born with all of the experience and education, you posses to date? You have not read any books, of any kind, that would supplement “personality status? Therefore, your responses come from who, oh yes they come from you, because if this were true and you do not partake books, education and experience, then based on your response above you have made idol of yourself, or have I misinterpreted your meaning. Also, if it were not for the posts which you reply too, which are, as you say, from idolatry, then by your responding to them, you have included them into your person, thereby partake of idols, thereby have two masters, yes?
Reality does not change. Personality does not change. How can the changeless be ministered over by a ministry? Expansion of reality is not a change in reality. Diversification of personality is not a change in personality.
Progressive evolution is expansion without change. God creates and lives in his expanding Universe yet He changes not.
Please think, even if it is in the shallows.
If reality “does not change”, then existence or life is futile, and one would never be able to better themselves, or become perfect, which also applies to personality, where to have true personality is to change oneself, otherwise the assentation process and plan, could not exist. The only “diversification of personality” is to choose, to choose between good and evil ways the person passes through life, then into death. Expansion is change. Progress can evolve in two, or many directions at the same time, and our Father does not change, but He can appear to change, depending on whether you know Him or not.
So then you where born with all of the experience and education, you posses to date? You have not read any books, of any kind, that would supplement “personality status? Therefore, your responses come from who, oh yes they come from you, because if this were true and you do not partake books, education and experience, then based on your response above you have made idol of yourself, or have I misinterpreted your meaning. Also, if it were not for the posts which you reply too, which are, as you say, from idolatry, then by your responding to them, you have included them into your person, thereby partake of idols, thereby have two masters, yes?
My mother never got to go to school or read textbooks. She was working in a farm from the time she could walk. She is the most giving and loving person I know. She is kind and God knowing. What of her personality status and those like her, like the God knowing illiterates. Are you a religious snob of the likes of the Pharisees? No one can make an idol of ones self. How dense can you be? Idols are external to ones self, by definition. Idols are external to God. They are not reality because they are external to God. We are in God and God is within us. We cannot make idols or our selves.
That is your misconception when previously you stated that you can serve two masters if one of them was you. You cannot be an idol to yourself. What are you thinking?
Also, if it were not for the posts which you reply too, which are, as you say, from idolatry, then by your responding to them, you have included them into your person, thereby partake of idols, thereby have two masters, yes?
Where is the logic in this statement of yours? Responding to something or someone is not idolatry. I cannot include anything or anyone into my person. My person is replete because God gives all.
If reality “does not change”, then existence or life is futile, and one would never be able to better themselves, or become perfect, which also applies to personality, where to have true personality is to change oneself, otherwise the assentation process and plan, could not exist.
Who is real but God? God does not change. God extends, expands, but does not change. Personality does not change, it becomes perfectly balanced. One does not ascend by changing but by growing. God creates perfectly in eternity. Be ye perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect means that the eternal God who knows you and me in eternity and knows of our perfection before we are perfect. And we are the same person He created as perfecting as what He know of us in eternity. Time is not a factor to God.
Expansion is change. Progress can evolve in two, or many directions at the same time, and our Father does not change, but He can appear to change, depending on whether you know Him or not.
Expansion is NOT change. Progress evolves in infinite directions all at once. Infinity does not change. Expanding in infinite directions all at once means expanding in no ‘particular’ direction and therefore, no change happens.
A sphere whose radii expands to infinity remains a sphere. A circle expanding with ever expanding radii, remains unchanged as a circle. Can you understand this?
God is apparent only in infinity and eternity. He never fully appears to us because only the Holy Trinity can know the Father in Infinity and Absoluteness.
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