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I have difficulty getting past references to equivalents to physical gravity.
Just remember that physical gravity is quantity; it is directly proportional to the accumulation of mass. Spiritual gravity is quality, like purity or value. For us humans it is proportional to divinity attainment. Divinity attainment is not a accumulation of divinity, it’s an attunement with divinity.
BTW, here’s another quote about spirit gravity transcending time and space. Should have included it before.
(82.1) 7:1.2 This gravity control of spiritual things operates independently of time and space; therefore is spirit energy undiminished in transmission. Spirit gravity never suffers time delays, nor does it undergo space diminution. It does not decrease in accordance with the square of the distance of its transmission; the circuits of pure spirit power are not retarded by the mass of the material creation. And this transcendence of time and space by pure spirit energies is inherent in the absoluteness of the Son; it is not due to the interposition of the antigravity forces of the Third Source and Center.
thx for hanging in there with me.
Not a problem. I love this subject. I’ve given it considerable study. It ties in nicely with my other favorite topics: soul, SOT, mind, personality, TA.
Ok, one more time: So how do you account for the mutual attraction between kindred spirits?
It’s due to similar experience with the spirit gravity circuit.
Gene wrote: conditioned by the personality that creates the value or quality.The only personality who creates value or quality is God himself. We simply identify with it . . . or not.12:3.2 1. The Personality Gravity of the Universal Father.
12:3.3 2. The Spirit Gravity of the Eternal Son.
12:3.4 3. The Mind Gravity of the Conjoint Actor.
12:3.5 4. The Cosmic Gravity of the Isle of Paradise.
12:3.6 These four circuits are not related to the nether Paradise force center; they are neither force, energy, nor power circuits. They are absolute presence circuits and like God are independent of time and space
Shifting my thoughts to 12:3.54 and 12:3.6 if you don’t mind since we are into gravity:
if Cosmic gravity is independent of time and space, or space is not affected by cosmic/physical gravity – then Einstein must be wrong. His ideas about timespace and both being warped and distorted by physical gravity are not correct. Space is just another thing that exists with time as part of finite creation and is more of a stage where creation is played out as opposed to some sort of fabric or (from the past) ether.
all of the observations that science says confirms Einstein’s hypothesis have meaning but not what they interpret them to be.
what do you think??
I don’t really have an opinion on Einstein’s theory except to say that it’s just a theory and it works under special circumstances. Other than that, I honestly never think about it. Nigel might have a more worthy opinion.
if Cosmic gravity is independent of time and space, or space is not affected by cosmic/physical gravity – then Einstein must be wrong. His ideas about timespace and both being warped and distorted by physical gravity are not correct.
Your conclusion must be essentially correct, if the Book’s description of how the physical universe is organized is true. The absolute cosmic gravity of Paradise is a long-range force acting upon the whole cosmos, causing all galaxies to ultimately revolve about Paradise in several concentrically arranged space levels. Whereas, “Linear gravity is the short-range cohesive force of the macrocosmos somewhat as the forces of intra-atomic cohesion are the short-range forces of the microcosmos.” (42:11.5) Just as cohesive forces on the atomic scale act quite differently from the force of linear gravity, so linear gravity on the galactic scale acts quite differently from the force of absolute gravity acting on truly cosmic scales. Since Einstein’s general theory of relativity is just a refinement of the linear gravity first described by Newton more than three centuries ago, this cosmically short-range force cannot possibly describe or explain how the universe is organized. Trying to apply general relativity to the universe is like trying to describe the motions of the planets around the sun with the equations of quantum mechanics, which are only valid on the atomic scale. It cannot be done.
While general relativity does not apply above the galactic scale, according to the Book, Einstein’s discovery of the physical relativity of time and space was nevertheless a metaphysical bolt of lightning that exploded Newton’s universal assumptions of the immovability of absolute space and the invariable motion of absolute time. Following Einstein, absolute space, time, mass and motion were all rejected from physics as metaphysical nonsense, leaving only relativistic concepts of space, time, energy-mass and motion. In the cosmology of general relativity the universe must expand from every point in every direction in the same way, so it cannot have a single absolute center of any kind. This directly contradicts the Book’s assertion that Paradise is at the absolute center of the universe. However, the Book does not assert that either time or space is absolute.
General relativity is built upon Einstein’s special theory of relativity. The most famous equation of special relativity is that of energy-mass equivalence E=mc2, which arises from the relativity of time and space. The Book specifically validates this relativistic equation: “The increase of mass in matter is equal to the increase of energy divided by the square of the velocity of light.” (42:4.11) But in the very next sentence it places this equation for the total energy of resting mass in the cosmic context of its distance from Paradise. The original equation describes the energy equivalent of “the attraction exerted by the parts of matter on one another.” The author then expands this to include factors relating to “the energy expended in bringing its parts together from Paradise minus the resistance of the forces overcome in transit.” Underlying the relativity of time and space discovered by Einstein is the absolute distance from absolutely stationary Paradise and its absolute forces. This is a larger metaphysical truth about the universe which is only found in the fifth epochal revelation.
Gene,
In response to your first question, I believe the “Creator personalities of time and space” refers to the Supreme Creators who are the first three persons of God the Sevenfold, namely the Creator Sons, the Ancients of Days, and the Master Spirits.
You have received many useful comments on the nature of spirit gravity. I would just like to add that the power of the Eternal Son’s gravity is just as strong down here on this confused world as it is in Paradise. 7:1.2 And I sense it is pulling you in.
if Cosmic gravity is independent of time and space, or space is not affected by cosmic/physical gravity – then Einstein must be wrong. His ideas about timespace and both being warped and distorted by physical gravity are not correct.
Your conclusion must be essentially correct, if the Book’s description of how the physical universe is organized is true. The absolute cosmic gravity of Paradise is a long-range force acting upon the whole cosmos, causing all galaxies to ultimately revolve about Paradise in several concentrically arranged space levels. Whereas, “Linear gravity is the short-range cohesive force of the macrocosmos somewhat as the forces of intra-atomic cohesion are the short-range forces of the microcosmos.” (42:11.5) Just as cohesive forces on the atomic scale act quite differently from the force of linear gravity, so linear gravity on the galactic scale acts quite differently from the force of absolute gravity acting on truly cosmic scales. Since Einstein’s general theory of relativity is just a refinement of the linear gravity first described by Newton more than three centuries ago, this cosmically short-range force cannot possibly describe or explain how the universe is organized. Trying to apply general relativity to the universe is like trying to describe the motions of the planets around the sun with the equations of quantum mechanics, which are only valid on the atomic scale. It cannot be done. While general relativity does not apply above the galactic scale, according to the Book, Einstein’s discovery of the physical relativity of time and space was nevertheless a metaphysical bolt of lightning that exploded Newton’s universal assumptions of the immovability of absolute space and the invariable motion of absolute time. Following Einstein, absolute space, time, mass and motion were all rejected from physics as metaphysical nonsense, leaving only relativistic concepts of space, time, energy-mass and motion. In the cosmology of general relativity the universe must expand from every point in every direction in the same way, so it cannot have a single absolute center of any kind. This directly contradicts the Book’s assertion that Paradise is at the absolute center of the universe. However, the Book does not assert that either time or space is absolute. General relativity is built upon Einstein’s special theory of relativity. The most famous equation of special relativity is that of energy-mass equivalence E=mc2, which arises from the relativity of time and space. The Book specifically validates this relativistic equation: “The increase of mass in matter is equal to the increase of energy divided by the square of the velocity of light.” (42:4.11) But in the very next sentence it places this equation for the total energy of resting mass in the cosmic context of its distance from Paradise. The original equation describes the energy equivalent of “the attraction exerted by the parts of matter on one another.” The author then expands this to include factors relating to “the energy expended in bringing its parts together from Paradise minus the resistance of the forces overcome in transit.” Underlying the relativity of time and space discovered by Einstein is the absolute distance from absolutely stationary Paradise and its absolute forces. This is a larger metaphysical truth about the universe which is only found in the fifth epochal revelation.
thank you George.
now tell me what you think about space respiration: if the above holds true then the expansion of the observable universe that we see today is caused by something else?? Science is constructing an hypothesis of dark matter.
thank you George. now tell me what you think about space respiration: if the above holds true then the expansion of the observable universe that we see today is caused by something else?? Science is constructing an hypothesis of dark matter.
My pleasure, Gene. As for the cause of space respiration, the authors do not know but believe that the Conjoint Actor is responsible for the 2 billion year cycle of space expansion and contraction occurring from just beneath nether Paradise.
We do not know the actual mechanism of space respiration; we merely observe that all space alternately contracts and expands. (11:6.1)
Concerning the origin of motion we have the following opinions:
- We think the Conjoint Actor initiates motion in space.
- If the Conjoint Actor produces the motions of space, we cannot prove it. (12:4.2-4)
Space is a bestowal of Paradise, which is a literal material body existing in some sort of absolute and eternal “pre-space” where “the concept of distance, even absolute distance, has very much meaning as it may be applied to relative locations on Paradise.” (11:2.11) But it is the Infinite Spirit who is apparently responsible for the universal expansion and contraction of space. Space respiration caused by the Conjoint Actor is the primary absolute motion in the universe and the universal revolution of all creation caused by the absolute gravity of Paradise is the secondary absolute motion. (12:4.7) All other motions occur relative to these two absolute motions. As noted in the previous post, the famous equation E=mc2 applies only to relative motion. But this relative motion ultimately occurs upon the universal foundation of absolute motion occurring relative to unmoving Paradise, even as both space and time are realities existing relative to absolute and eternal Paradise.
It begins to become apparent that one of the purposes of these teachings is to re-establish the scientific pursuit of truth on absolute foundations. They lead us, if we will follow, toward an appreciation of the supreme beauty of a cosmology which encompasses God and man, the finite and the infinite, the temporal and the eternal. God is discovered within through faith, but he is more than the Father of personalities and the bestower of Adjusters: He is also the Creator, Controller, and Upholder of Paradise and the material universe. The immanence of God is manifest in his indwelling absolute spirit. The transcendent presence of God in the universe is manifest on Paradise at the absolute center of creation.
It is surprising to many that Newton, the original architect of modern science, built it upon more than absolute concepts of space and time. Newton was well known as a very devout theist who believed that God, the Supreme Being, is the creator of time, space, energy, and matter. He also believed that the force of gravity must be a direct manifestation of God’s supernatural action in the universe. His formulation of the law of gravity requires it to act instantaneously over arbitrarily large distances. Since there can be no possible material mechanism or physical medium whereby this force could be transmitted instantaneously between physical bodies, he concluded gravity must occur by the direct action of God. Since the Supreme Being is the absolute cause of universal gravity, everything must move about God, who must be the one stationary immovable reality in the universe. In his masterwork Principia he says his purpose in writing it was to find a way to search for this one unmoving point in the universe. Taking him at his word, the primary motivation for this great effort was both spiritual and religious.
For many, but not all, Newton’s God-centered worldview had the impact of a great enlightenment which harmonized the material truth of natural philosophy with the spiritual truth of biblical teaching. While continental philosophers could find no fault with Newton’s mathematics, since all of his equations worked, they objected loudly and strenuously to the non-scientific “occult” idea that gravity is caused by God’s supernatural intervention in the universe. These deists believed that God must have created a material mechanism for gravity at the very beginning which does not subsequently require his intervention. But it was not until Einstein discovered the relativity of time and space that the absolute foundations of science laid down by Newton were finally destroyed, plunging mankind into a secular worldview where there is no truth but relative truth.
By re-establishing scientific truth upon new absolute foundations, these teachings once again make it possible to begin to cosmically harmonize material and spiritual truth, both of which originate from God on Paradise. What could be more beautiful than this new worldview of a God-centered universe?
thank you George. now tell me what you think about space respiration: if the above holds true then the expansion of the observable universe that we see today is caused by something else?? Science is constructing an hypothesis of dark matter.
My pleasure, Gene. As for the cause of space respiration, the authors do not know but believe that the Conjoint Actor is responsible for the 2 billion year cycle of space expansion and contraction occurring from just beneath nether Paradise.
We do not know the actual mechanism of space respiration; we merely observe that all space alternately contracts and expands. (11:6.1)
Concerning the origin of motion we have the following opinions:
- We think the Conjoint Actor initiates motion in space.
- If the Conjoint Actor produces the motions of space, we cannot prove it. (12:4.2-4)
Space is a bestowal of Paradise, which is a literal material body existing in some sort of absolute and eternal “pre-space” where “the concept of distance, even absolute distance, has very much meaning as it may be applied to relative locations on Paradise.” (11:2.11) But it is the Infinite Spirit who is apparently responsible for the universal expansion and contraction of space. Space respiration caused by the Conjoint Actor is the primary absolute motion in the universe and the universal revolution of all creation caused by the absolute gravity of Paradise is the secondary absolute motion. (12:4.7) All other motions occur relative to these two absolute motions. As noted in the previous post, the famous equation E=mc2 applies only to relative motion. But this relative motion ultimately occurs upon the universal foundation of absolute motion occurring relative to unmoving Paradise, even as both space and time are realities existing relative to absolute and eternal Paradise. It begins to become apparent that one of the purposes of these teachings is to re-establish the scientific pursuit of truth on absolute foundations. They lead us, if we will follow, toward an appreciation of the supreme beauty of a cosmology which encompasses God and man, the finite and the infinite, the temporal and the eternal. God is discovered within through faith, but he is more than the Father of personalities and the bestower of Adjusters: He is also the Creator, Controller, and Upholder of Paradise and the material universe. The immanence of God is manifest in his indwelling absolute spirit. The transcendent presence of God in the universe is manifest on Paradise at the absolute center of creation. It is surprising to many that Newton, the original architect of modern science, built it upon more than absolute concepts of space and time. Newton was well known as a very devout theist who believed that God, the Supreme Being, is the creator of time, space, energy, and matter. He also believed that the force of gravity must be a direct manifestation of God’s supernatural action in the universe. His formulation of the law of gravity requires it to act instantaneously over arbitrarily large distances. Since there can be no possible material mechanism or physical medium whereby this force could be transmitted instantaneously between physical bodies, he concluded gravity must occur by the direct action of God. Since the Supreme Being is the absolute cause of universal gravity, everything must move about God, who must be the one stationary immovable reality in the universe. In his masterwork Principia he says his purpose in writing it was to find a way to search for this one unmoving point in the universe. Taking him at his word, the primary motivation for this great effort was both spiritual and religious. For many, but not all, Newton’s God-centered worldview had the impact of a great enlightenment which harmonized the material truth of natural philosophy with the spiritual truth of biblical teaching. While continental philosophers could find no fault with Newton’s mathematics, since all of his equations worked, they objected loudly and strenuously to the non-scientific “occult” idea that gravity is caused by God’s supernatural intervention in the universe. These deists believed that God must have created a material mechanism for gravity at the very beginning which does not subsequently require his intervention. But it was not until Einstein discovered the relativity of time and space that the absolute foundations of science laid down by Newton were finally destroyed, plunging mankind into a secular worldview where there is no truth but relative truth. By re-establishing scientific truth upon new absolute foundations, these teachings once again make it possible to begin to cosmically harmonize material and spiritual truth, both of which originate from God on Paradise. What could be more beautiful than this new worldview of a God-centered universe?
beautifully written George, your insights are very well thought out and put much into perspective for me. Thanks very much.
I intend to put Principia on my reading to do list. I never realized the religious foundation of Newtonian science.
“We do not know the actual mechanism of space respiration; we merely observe that all space alternately contracts and expands. (11:6.1)
Concerning the origin of motion we have the following opinions:
We think the Conjoint Actor initiates motion in space.
If the Conjoint Actor produces the motions of space, we cannot prove it. (12:4.2-4)”Insomnia morning and a wandering mind, so Bear with my ramblings:
These quotes above tell me two things: 1: the “motion in space” must refer to physical material creation if I interpret correct.
And 2: the author can detect space because respiration is “observed”. Therefore space is “something”.
And to me these quotes clarify in my mind that space respiration or motion is independent of the motion of material creation which confirms the UB statement that space is not affected by gravity.Why would the Infinite spirit choose to make “motion in space” happen? The author is not certain but I’ll guess it’s creation in progress. It is a comfortable thought.
Think about how science describes the Big Bang: the everything that comes from nothing. And everything packed into an infinitely small something – that’s the hypothesis. Science observations that confirm this are observations of a micro/milli/nano/pico second after the bang and that observation is the most distant objects observable. All explainable by inflation idea.
Back to the Infinite spirit: coincident with his origin a billion perfect worlds sprang into existence. These worlds are about as infinite as he and Paradise and the Son and the Father are. This is the real Big Bang but the billion perfect worlds being infinite and the observable universe being about 13 or 14 billion years old really needs some resolution eh?
Back to the Infinite spirit: coincident with his origin a billion perfect worlds sprang into existence. These worlds are about as infinite as he and Paradise and the Son and the Father are. This is the real Big Bang but the billion perfect worlds being infinite and the observable universe being about 13 or 14 billion years old really needs some resolution eh?
While there appears to be some superficial resemblance between Havona springing into existence with the “awakening” of the Infinite Spirit and the current idea of a big bang origin, they are not really comparable. Modern cosmology’s estimate of 13.8 billion years as the age of the universe, based upon the assumed redshift attributed to the cosmic microwave background radiation, is utterly erroneous. The universe cannot be less than one trillion years old (57:1.3) and must really be trillions of years old. The immediate consequence of the big bang is an absolutely chaotic and uniform distribution of elementary particles throughout the universe, not the appearance of divinely perfect and complete material worlds in eternal revolution about Paradise at the absolute center of creation.
I have no faith in cosmologies Big Bang ideas or their estimate of the age of the universe. But material creation most certainly followed the appearance of the Havona worlds and trillions of years is analogous to 13 billion when compared to infinity.
But material creation does have an origin that is real and science may one day get it right. However, material creation comes from the infinite, something I don’t think can be observed or figured out.
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