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One wonders, what is the difference between the adjutant orgasmic response of the “eureka moment” and the response one has from a Holy Spirit derived “eureka moment” designed to unify all reality levels, including the scientific?
One wonders, what is the difference between the adjutant orgasmic response of the “eureka moment” and the response one has from a Holy Spirit derived “eureka moment” designed to unify all reality levels, including the scientific?
Possibly a begining is to understand exactly how the responsible Adjutant as a mind ministry and the Holy Spirit as a spirit ministry engages us.
i can watch my dog to get a hint about the Adjutant response: he gets a walk, sees his playmate or gets a favorite treat and displays close enough to orgasmic response – isn’t this response to the Mother Spirit functioning without any “will” interference?
“Will” kind of removes at least some of the emotion but all of the Adjutants are functioning in order to engage her.
not trying to separate Adjutant from Holy Mother, just their expression or influence or engagement.
Bonita wrote:
“One wonders, what is the difference between the adjutant orgasmic response of the “eureka moment” and the response one has from a Holy Spirit derived “eureka moment” designed to unify all reality levels, including the scientific?”
Maybe related to what Gene said… a thrilling pulse in our material mind vs. our soul?
Just a guess, but if the personal presence of the Divine Minister’s Holy spirit is involved in mediating some thrilling experience, our response may be experienced more or less in our soul (mid-mind). But if some thrill (scientific Eureka) is limited to one or more of Her adjutant circuits, the experience may likewise be limited to our material mind?
From paper 111 section 2, “Nature of the Soul“:
(1218.6, 111:2.8) “The midway creatures have long denominated this evolving soul of man the mid-mind in contradistinction to the lower or material mind and the higher or cosmic mind. This mid-mind is really a morontia phenomenon since it exists in the realm between the material and the spiritual. […]”
This may be why certain brilliant “materialists” find it hard to imagine a (non-material) spiritual domain: their material mind is so powerful (and loud), it drowns out what must begin as “a still small voice“.
Nigel
“Will” kind of removes at least some of the emotion but all of the Adjutants are functioning in order to engage her.
The Holy Spirit is super-emotional. This is mind which transcends human emotions, and thusly, has the power to control them (aka soul powers).
Yes, all the adjutants are functioning, but engagement involves the personal presence of the Divine Spirit, which is part of the substance of our higher mind given the name “Holy Spirit”. It is our own personality which engages in a personality-to-personality level of minded experience on a super-emotional level. The adjutants are merely the gateway to; the personality is the gateway from, as it is changed in such a way as to reveal the fruits of its personal experience with the Holy Spirit (and Spirit of Truth, since they are one).
(1090.1) 99:4.5 After all, it is what one believes rather than what one knows that determines conduct and dominates personal performances. Purely factual knowledge exerts very little influence upon the average man unless it becomes emotionally activated. But the activation of religion is superemotional, unifying the entire human experience on transcendent levels through contact with, and release of, spiritual energies in the mortal life.
not trying to separate Adjutant from Holy Mother
If you mean the Divine Minister as the “Holy Mother”, then you can’t separate them. But the adjutants are indeed separate from the Holy Spirit. They are two different levels of the Divine Minister’s mind ministry, albeit not separate from her divine consciousness. The adjutants differ in that they do not provide the personality presence of the Divine Minister as does the Holy Spirit.
This may be why certain brilliant “materialists” find it hard to imagine a (non-material) spiritual domain: their material mind is so powerful (and loud), it drowns out what must begin as “a still small voice“.
It’s worse than that. Their adjutant orgasmic eureka moments of fact and science are only one-dimensional. How many times are we told that reality is trifold? The two other dimensions of moral philosophy and religious spirituality must be part of any eureka moment if it is to be acted out successfully as part of reality. The elliptical symmetry of all reality concepts must be dealt with, otherwise it’s like the dog chasing his tail. Yes, its elliptical, but not at all balanced or symmetric, hopelessly futile, banal, destined to fail regardless of how brilliant the effort. A balanced personality avails itself of all three reality responses, none of which are solely adjutant derived.
In my opinion, the most important word in “The Reality of Religious Experience” is reality.
Yes, Bonita. As I said in my video, perhaps the most important question for all of life is ‘What is true?’ (or real) This applies to, at least, the most important decisions of life. It likely applies to all questions for intellectually advanced, thinking, and curious people!!!!!!
Yes, Bonita. As I said in my video, perhaps the most important question for all of life is ‘What is true?’ (or real)
What do you say to a person who bases reality solely upon facts?
Good question. Lately the alter ego conversations include comments like: All humans are relegated to the opinion section of the bleachers of life! All of us because none of us could achieve omniscience. We attribute that to God. Members in that section are able to talk to one another, share opinions and experience varying curiosity–wonderment. This levels the playing field and suggests to the “confident one” perhaps they don’t know it all! Or perhaps there could be more than facts. Now, you might be as creative as appropriate and take it from there with the “solely upon facts” folks.
All humans are relegated to the opinion section of the bleachers of life!
Is that true?
Hope ya-all dont mind me taking a slight detour but relatively still on track. Its about the Adjutants and my dog since I mentioned him earlier in this thread.
Anyone care to speculate? Or better yet – elaborate about what we think the difference is between humans and animals are?
Think about this quote from paper 37:10.3 The Spornagia. Ill just quote the end of the paragraph: They are devoted to the care and culture of the material phases of these headquarters worlds, from Jerusem to Salvington. Spornagia are neither spirits nor persons; they are an animal order of existence, but if you could see them, you would agree that they seem to be perfect animals.
First – Why in a paper titled Personalities of the Local Universe – would they include non persons?
To me this is a dose of context for us to help realize the differences between mind and personal conductivity.
It helps us tame down our self aggrandizement. I learn from this that or notion of being superior to animals needs an upgrade.
But think about the implications of a perfect animal – a being where all of the first 5 (and I quit refering to them as lower) Adjutants fully function in complete harmony. (This is analogous to intelligent will creatures functioning with all seven Adjutants functioning in complete harmony and being encircuited in the Holy spirit) Too bad these critters are on worlds from Jerusem to Salvington but if they were on Urantia, do you think that we could see them? Are they a very minor step above us so that we cannot interact with them? Also, think about this one too – the author of this paper is a Brilliant Evening Star who is “Dictating” to a secondary Midwayer who is doing the writing – and this BES states that they “seem to be perfect animals” meaning that likely even this being dont really know – I find this very curious.
Think about reincarnation – I have always dismissed it but here it seems possible. Animals must be the creation or handiwork of the Life Carriers and how exactly does an animal perfect itself, how could we recognize this sort of perfection? Do any of these perfected animals originate from Urantia? Which ones would you take a guess have done this? We always tend as humans to be stuck observing the shadow as opposed to the substance and when we try to speculate everything seems to get a bit distorted.
And how about this – when we arrive on Jerusem or Salvington or any of the worlds between, will these amazing perfect animals have something to teach us ascenders? Will we interact with them? Would this interaction be similar to how I interact with my dog – person to non person??
This brief paragraph about Spornagia beings has given me a very different way to think about animals, Adjutants and how I am lacking in so many ways.
What a clear distinction is made here between mind and spirit ministry. imho.
All humans are relegated to the opinion section of the bleachers of life!
Is that true?
Seems so to me; we have opinions about everything, but not omniscience about anything.
I don’t disagree with you entirely, but . . . how does this:
Mark Kurtz wrote: All humans are relegated to the opinion section of the bleachers of life!Align with this:(1120.1) 102:2.4In knowledge alone there can never be absolute certainty, only increasing probability of approximation; but the religious soul of spiritual illumination knows, and knows now.
It aligns very well! Ultimate knowledge capability is God, the Trinity, the Supreme. So, the quote states knowledge alone is not absolute certainty for us mortals. We study deeply; we study using conjecture and involve ourselves in supposition, but cannot achieve omniscience. We’d do well to soften our adamant attitudes and accept we mortals only have opinions based on what we know, what we can imagine, and what we observe in the experiences of others. And some of us our too “opinionated”, some of us complain. We are seated in that section.
We know in our “hearts” what is true and that is a mind experience that is not subject to sciences and math. Isn’t that wonderful!
The opinion section statement is only a softening technique for those persons who are narrow and unwilling to think. It is intended to apply a leveling to those who may be too confident and to crack open the leaks for learning more, if willing.
Well, its nice to be able to know; our Mother Provides this wonderful mind experience.
(1120.1) 102:2.4In knowledge alone there can never be absolute certainty, only increasing probability of approximation; but the religious soul of spiritual illumination knows, and knows now.
I think this quote is making a clear distinction between the two minds we humans are gifted with. One is an adjutant mind, the other is a morontia mind. The adjutant mind has one kind of knowing, the morontia mind has a different kind of knowing. Both are essential to a well-balanced personality while in the flesh.
The kind of knowing we gain from our adjutant mind concerns facts and the interpretation of facts. Because mental interpretations differ, opinions concerning facts will also differ. Absolute certainty regarding the interpretation of facts is not attainable, at least not in this life.
The kind of knowing we gain from our morontia mind concerns truth and the experience with truth. Such personality experiences are real and permanent, therefore reliable and certain. That being said, all personalities are different, so their experiences with truth will also differ, but they are none the less real and certain.
Assurance and certainty depend upon the second type of knowing. It is personal and real. The first type of knowing is only an approximation of reality and therefore less certain. The anxiety over this uncertainty makes some people want all the more to make it certain by attempting to convince others to adopt and accept it. The more unreal knowledge is, the greater the anxiety, and thus the need to persuade others of its reality – all producing more and more frustration, anger, resentment and hostility – which is where we find society today. This problem cannot be solved with more tolerance and acceptance of competing ideas; it can only be resolved by more of the second type of knowing.
People who have turned science into a religion and people who have turned morality into a religion, based upon ideologies formed by the first kind of knowing, will continue to be miserably frustrated until they discover the second kind of knowing in the morontia soul. These folks need more true religion, the religion of the spirit, the Holy Spirit, who makes up the matrix of the soul and in concert with the Spirit of Truth and Adjuster, provides certainty and assurance of personality reality.
Well said Bonita….reminds me of the quotes I provided links to for “faith assurance” and “truth assurance”…the assurance is certain regardless of the fact content of that which feeds faith or realizes truth.
I disagree with the opinion that mortal mind can have nothing more than opinion. We do acquire facts and knowledge. Our entire universe career is about the acquisition of knowledge and experience which makes our perspective more and more objective and less and less subjective. This is as true of mortal mind as it is of morontia mind. Morontia mind still is subjective and experientially and educationally based and dependent. The closer we get to Paradise and the further from animal birth, the more objective becomes our perspective – the more reality based it becomes.
This is the value of science and epochal revelation in conjunction with experience. We may not understand physics but experience will certainly teach us basic physics no matter our ignorance or lack of education….we will learn objectivity from physics or it will kill us as we learn it and learn it objectively.
I do not dispute our opinions and or the fact we are all too opinionated. The UB teaches us that ignorance and prejudice are the greatest inhibitors of growth. Opinionation is certainly an aspect of prejudice….love for one’s opinions and stubborn loyalty to them no matter how ignorant or stupid or detached from reality. But this does not mean we are only capable of opinions. Indeed not. We can learn. We are curious as to how things work. We have imagination and intuitions and insights in this life too!! This is as true of Adjutant Mind as it is of Morontia Mind….or at least potentially and is easily observed in our children. It is wonderful to watch a baby’s awareness develop spatial and cause/effect, and a child’s learning and conquering basic physics from raw gravity to angular momentum!!
Remember, even celestials have opinions and mysteries!! And conjecture and discovery! And Ah-Ha and Eureka moments of realization. Our tadpole perspective is, or should be, far more objective than merely opinion! Especially those tadpoles with epochal revelation and scientific knowledge as their sources of objective perspective of universe realities!!
It is not opinions that are traps of prejudice….it is our blind loyalty and unreasoned grip upon our opinions that are unworthy and counter productive. The forming of opinions should come by way of logic, reason, and experience or they are hardly opinions worthy of the having and are more likely parroted from someone else and are therefore unreasoned and unreasonable and indefensible. The defense of one’s reasoned opinions is a great exercise in learning and adapting and reforming new opinions that reach closer to objective realities.
Nothing wrong with opinions….at least not mine……HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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