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emanny3003 wrote:
[e3]: “How about renaming the thread title to “What TUB says about math and science”? This is broad enough that if anyone like yourself would like to spinoff from this to starting another more specific thread, they are free to do so.”
Dear Manny, that would be fine!
Originally, you asked “What is Nigel afraid of?”
To be honest, what I fear is that the one person (i.e. you) with whom I might have a worthwhile discussion about ultimatonic signatures in the electroweak domain, will snuff out my feeble and stumbling efforts with your absolute metaphysics. Also, you skip over absonite relationships — is the Absolute easier to comprehend?
Keen to make some progress, even if only relative!
NigelHi Nigel,
Also, you skip over absonite relationships — is the Absolute easier to comprehend?
I am open to what you have to say but I must confess that I do find the Absolute to be easier to comprehend. The absonite is not comprehensible to me. It is a relatively new concept for me since I began reading TUB. I can see projection from the Infinite in creation because I am a creature. I was created, not eventuated.
I cannot see the connection between creation such as motion (ultimatons) and the absonite. Projection is direct from projector to screen. I have no concept of what is in between the projector and the screen. I see only one form of relationship, that of The Holy Trinity. I can even see this pattern relationship in the motions of space-time.
What are absonite relationships? Is it plural kinds of relationships or plural in the sense that it involves many absonite beings? The Trinity is a “right handed” relationship. I assume that absonite relationships are the same. Perhaps you can explain further. I would be open to learning about your insights. You will need to start with the basics.
Thanks.
Regards, Manny
Hi Manny,
As this is the Science sub-forum, by “absonite relationships” I was thinking of material relationships between our measurable finite manifold and the absonite buffer within which it is embedded. In this context, the “basics” would be those “cyclones of space”, set up by force organizers, that ripen into disks of ultimata — since (according to the Urantia book) it is upon this material basis that finite physics begins.
For as long as I can recall, you skip past these foundations and short-circuit our conversations by leaping straight to absolute metaphysics, orthogonal projections and eternal ellipses.
In our upcoming discussion about possible connections between the electroweak and the ultimatonic, I wonder if you could try something new: imagine that your insights into matters absolute are less revealing than your non-existent insight into matters absonite. That is to say, let’s take this opportunity to make a fresh start, to put aside our preconceptions about how reality should be, and see what the Urantia book reveals about the sort of physics accessible to us humans.
Part of this new approach to discussion would be to reflect about each other’s posts, say for a day or two, before replying.
Nigel
Hi Nigel,
As this is the Science sub-forum, by “absonite relationships” I was thinking of material relationships between our measurable finite manifold and the absonite buffer within which it is embedded.
I disagree with your assertion that absonite relationships have anything to do with the finite being buffered and embedded within the absonite. The absonite is a different level altogether. Both the finite and the absonite are projections to different levels.
Absolute and Subabsolute. Absolute realities are eternity existences. Subabsolute realities are projected on two levels: Absonites—realities which are relative with respect to both time and eternity. Finites—realities which are projected in space and are actualized in time. (TUB)
In this context, the “basics” would be those “cyclones of space”, set up by force organizers, that ripen into disks of ultimata — since (according to the Urantia book) it is upon this material basis that finite physics begins.
The cyclones of space are motions of energy-matter that exhibit primary and secondary motions of space. This motion is spiral (cyclonic) and is the same motion as an elliptical orbit. I can demonstrate it.
For as long as I can recall, you skip past these foundations and short-circuit our conversations by leaping straight to absolute metaphysics, orthogonal projections and eternal ellipses.
I am sorry to frustrate you Nigel but finite realities are projected from spirit directly and I am bypassing nothing. Absonite levels are also projected directly. The finite and the absonite projections are exclusive of one another. The absonite projection is not an intermediary or imbedded buffer to finite realities.
In our upcoming discussion about possible connections between the electroweak and the ultimatonic, I wonder if you could try something new: imagine that your insights into matters absolute are less revealing than your non-existent insight into matters absonite.
We have a finite mind indwelled with an absolute Father Fragment. Absonite realities are completely foreign to me. I do not have an absonite mind. I have not commingled with Havona natives yet. Where do you get this insight into matters absonite? I cannot imagine what it is beyond my mind to comprehend.
Havona is not a time creation. Just as our finite space is hyperbolic, Havona space is parabolic. The perfect Havona spheres are not polarized and they do not rotate. Therefore, they do not respond to linear gravity, only to the absolute gravity of Paradise. That is why Havona spheres orbit Paradise in single file fashion. They do not have there own orbits. Their materialization is Triata which neither spins nor breaths as does the matter of space-time. Parabolic space cannot rotate or breath because it has two foci, and one is at infinity. Hyperbolic space has but one focus, Paradise. Once set in motion in the eternal past, the spheres of Havona continue on in perpetuity, perfectly balanced between Paradise and the Dark gravity bodies.
Perhaps you are drawing comparisons between Havona spheres and the ultimatons. Both are unresponsive to linear gravity. They both arrange themselves in a huddled mass. Havona spheres in seven levels. If you wish to discuss these similarities to absonite existence, perhaps we can start there.
In the eternal past, the tension created between the Deity Absolute and the Unqualified Absolute resolved in the Universal Absolute in an instant. This was all an eternity function. Concentric circles separated and instantly Paradise (ellipse), Havona (parabola) and space-time (hyperbola-circle) flashed into existence. In a sense you can say that there was a sequence of events but events do not occur in instants. Pre echos require time and eternity is the absolute of time.
Manny
bigfoot is a human derision from The Spornagia the perfect animals just like zombies are the human derisive derivative of the mansion worlds.
37:10.3 (416.3) The Spornagia. The architectural headquarters worlds of the local universe are real worlds—physical creations. There is much work connected with their physical upkeep, and herein we have the assistance of a group of physical creatures called spornagia. They are devoted to the care and culture of the material phases of these headquarters worlds, from Jerusem to Salvington. Spornagia are neither spirits nor persons; they are an animal order of existence, but if you could see them, you would agree that they seem to be perfect animals.
Hi all, I decided to attempt to explain why the Large Hadron Collider at CERN will find the Higg’s particle under BigFoot’s paw. In other words, why they will never find it. The standard model describes the Higg’s as a “scalar” boson. We must first be sure that everyone understands the meaning of scalar. This is simply a quantity without direction. As an example a scalar is 10 apples on a scale. It has no direction as opposed to ten apples being shot from a canon towards the east. That is a “vector” quantity. So, the Higg’s is a particle that has no spin. The next question you should ask is: How can it be a particle if it does not spin? It must move in order to be a particle. Riddle me this: How can a particle move but move in no specific direction? The answer is that it can move in infinite directions, simultaneously. Say what!!!??? Think now of the primary motion of space. This is space respirations. Imagine a sphere that expands and contracts. From its center reference, it is moving in infinite directions, its radii, following it in and out as it breaths. This is not spinning. Spinning is the secondary motion of space. The scientists are trying to find the particles that breaths ‘apart’ from bosons that ‘spin’. The problem is that these motions, along with relative motions of counter spin, are all included in the spiral motion of one single particle. These motions cannot be teased apart. Yet they all constitute what a particle can do. The infinite genius of the Creator has provided a pattern that has essentially infinite degrees of freedom of motion. A spiral motion is moving in infinite directions at all times! Tell me if you can see that. This is a model I’ve been pushing for some time now. It is taken from TUB directly. The physics blogs just don’t take me seriously. There is no math for them to model this motion. It is infinity everywhere and you cannot calculate infinity. This they will not stand for. If there is no math, just a simple explanation, there is no curtain to hide behind. Manny
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