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Nigel,
At first, your reply astonish my understanding.
By using verb “fertilizing” are you reffering the fact our personality will be share with T/A ?
In case of … Capacity for divine personality is inherent in the prepersonal Adjuster. 5:6.6
The only donation out of personality to God is a dedication to do his will. 112:0.2
Unless you share a quote from UB about “fertilization” is a dead end.
Thanks you for you concern Nigel.
André
Andre, my guess is that Nigel’s reference to fertilization has more to do with cross-pollination, which loosely correlates to co-creation. Or it could be a reference to the fertile soil of the moral conscious which the Adjuster uses to spiritualize the personality. I agree, it’s not the best word to describe the process, in fact, I think it’s really the other way around. We’re the ones being fertilized by God. He is always digging about our roots and cutting away our dead branches with the purpose of increasing fruit production.
Dear Bonita,
Maybe this quote does.
110:7. Subsequent to mortal fusion the Adjusters share your destiny and experience; they are you. After the fusion of the immortal morontia soul and the associated Adjuster, all of the experience and all of the values of the one eventually become the possession of the other, so that the two are actually one entity.
Thanks for the involvement.
André
Hi everyone,
Intriguing question.
Revealators concerning definition of T/A concluded
107:1.2. … as far as we are able to discern, they are God.
Fusioning with our soul, did God lose attributes ?
André
Hi everyone, Intriguing question. Revealators concerning definition of T/A concluded 107:1.2. … as far as we are able to discern, they are God. Fusioning with our soul, did God lose attributes ? André
I don’t think God ever loses attributes or capacity….just the opposite perhaps? We are taught that every personal embrace and expression of truth, beauty, and goodness feeds the soul of the ascending mortal and adds to the experiential wisdom of every other mind in time and space, all of which goes to God the Supreme as an addition or contribution TO God….the gift of free will love and loyalty to its very Source and Center. Further, we are taught, does the realization and actualization of TB&G increase the potential for evermore future realization and actualization.
107:0.2 (1176.2) The Adjusters are the actuality of the Father’s love incarnate in the souls of men; they are the veritable promise of man’s eternal career imprisoned within the mortal mind; they are the essence of man’s perfected finaliter personality, which he can foretaste in time as he progressively masters the divine technique of achieving the living of the Father’s will, step by step, through the ascension of universe upon universe until he actually attains the divine presence of his Paradise Father.
27:7.8 (305.1) After the attainment of the supreme satisfaction of the fullness of worship, you are qualified for admission to the Corps of the Finality. The ascendant career is well-nigh finished, and the seventh jubilee prepares for celebration. The first jubilee marked the mortal agreement with the Thought Adjuster when the purpose to survive was sealed; the second was the awakening in the morontia life; the third was the fusion with the Thought Adjuster; the fourth was the awakening in Havona; the fifth celebrated the finding of the Universal Father; and the sixth jubilee was the occasion of the Paradise awakening from the final transit slumber of time. The seventh jubilee marks entrance into the mortal finaliter corps and the beginning of the eternity service. The attainment of the seventh stage of spirit realization by a finaliter will probably signalize the celebration of the first of the jubilees of eternity.
110:6.22 (1212.1) The great days in the individual careers of Adjusters are: first, when the human subject breaks through into the third psychic circle, thus insuring the Monitor’s self-activity and increased range of function (provided the indweller was not already self-acting); then, when the human partner attains the first psychic circle, and they are thereby enabled to intercommunicate, at least to some degree; and last, when they are finally and eternally fused.
110:7.5 (1212.6) When the evolving soul and the divine Adjuster are finally and eternally fused, each gains all of the experiencible qualities of the other. This co-ordinate personality possesses all of the experiential memory of survival once held by the ancestral mortal mind and then resident in the morontia soul, and in addition thereto this potential finaliter embraces all the experiential memory of the Adjuster throughout the mortal indwellings of all time. But it will require an eternity of the future for an Adjuster ever completely to endow the personality partnership with the meanings and values which the divine Monitor carries forward from the eternity of the past.
Me: God’s Fragments, like love itself, has an ever expanding capacity and potential I think…it’s not a zero-sum equation….there’s always more of God and his attributes as potential is realized and new potential becomes unleashed.
As to Nigel’s fertilizing post….if fertilization is the addition of nutrients to a growing life, then is such fertilization working in both directions – from the lesser does its growth add nutrients to the greater (think Supreme + local repercussions) and naturally from the greater comes all the gravity circuits and mind ministries of the Holy Spirit, the Son’s Spirit, and the God Fragments – as well as the attending Seraphim. I’d have to agree that there’s lots of ‘fertilization’ going on!
Me: God’s Fragments, like love itself, has an ever expanding capacity and potential I think…it’s not a zero-sum equation….there’s always more of God and his attributes as potential is realized and new potential becomes unleashed.
Yeah, that’s exactly right. The Adjuster never runs out of potentials for us to actualize. Here are a few quotes that come to mind. There are probably more.
107:4.7 . . . In eternity, man will be discovering not only the infinity of the objective Deity but also the unending potentiality of the subjective fragment of this same God. Always will the Adjuster be revealing to the mortal personality the wonder of God, and never can this supernal revelation come to an end, for the Adjuster is of God and as God to mortal man.
110:7.4 . . . All that was once human in the surviving soul and all that is experientially divine in the Adjuster now become the actual possession of the new and ever-ascending universe personality. But on each universe level the Adjuster can endow the new creature only with those attributes which are meaningful and of value on that level. An absolute oneness with the divine Monitor, a complete exhaustion of the endowment of an Adjuster, can only be achieved in eternity subsequent to the final attainment of the Universal Father, the Father of spirits, ever the source of these divine gifts.
110:7.5 . . . But it will require an eternity of the future for an Adjuster ever completely to endow the personality partnership with the meanings and values which the divine Monitor carries forward from the eternity of the past.
Fusioning with our soul, did God lose attributes ?
Sorry André, I missed this question. The Adjuster loses nothing, but actually gains an experienced personality, which subsequent to fusion, brings all the potential character attributes of God to the evolution of God the Supreme. In a way, God gains an experiential facet to his attributes. Don’t forget that Adjusters are pre-Trinity, pre-experience, in origin. It’s more of a flowering of attributes for God which were once only seeds. We toil with God, but both reap in different ways. We reap the personal experience of living out God’s attributes as our own and God reaps the joy of having them expressed as a living reality in time. But they remain his attributes which he shares in the partnership. Hope I explained that well enough.
Hi André,
You wondered about my use of the term “fertilization”. I’ll try to explain.
For me, the most breath-taking thing presented in the Urantia book is Personality. What’s so special about Personality?
Well, there must be something, because the Father delegated responsibility for absolutely everything else!
Everything to do with spirit, he entrusted to the Eternal Son; everything to do with mind, he handed over to the Infinite Spirit; everything to do with enabling the material universe, he off-loaded to Paradise. But he did not (could not?) delegate responsibility for Personality.
Recall how each of the above four “Sources & Centers” (Father, Son, Spirit, Paradise) serve as source & center for one of the four absolute presence circuits ( 131.9, 12:3.6 ) upon which reality depends. As First Source and Center, the Universal Father is “Source & Center” of the personality circuit.
Now for the fun part: what’s the one thing Adjusters seek out for themselves? Personality. We are told that one way an Adjuster can be “personalized” is by fiat, directly by the Universal Father (see Personalized Adjusters (227.1, 20:4.3).
“Such Adjusters form the supreme Divinington council of direction for the administration, identification, and dispatch of Mystery Monitors to the inhabited realms.”
Another way for an Adjuster to be personalized is by the “human” technique, via the long and winding road that leads to fusion with an ascending personal soul.
Reflecting on the way the Source and Center of Personality seeks to “Personalize” his Adjuster fragments, I imagined these Father-fragments being “fertilized” by that other fragment he bestows — that point of personality he entrusts to us. And there we have it, two halves of our essential DNA, Personality and Adjuster, sharing their eternal genetic potentials in preparation for that unimaginable “subinfinite penetration of the absolute” ( 1226.13, 112:1.9 )
Why fertilization? Poetic license: “This fertilization allows gestation, and a second birth…”
Nigel
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