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I can always count on U to make good points, Bonita
Eventually I will find the answers to my original question, making logical connections step-by-step to reasonably explain how we who view reincarnation as logical can progress from that to what the Urantia book presents, similar to the process of how math students learn to show all their steps which led to their answers. I did read that Urantia chapter about psychic circles that U recommended – I suspect there are also clues there to explain such intense thoughts, feelings, & odd experiences that STILL give the impression of past lives. I also wonder about how our consciousness interacts with the Supreme God (who is evolving & trying to make all things work together for the good of all) as that may also provide clues. I also have seen interesting parallels between info in the Urantia book and some odd experiences described by R. Monroe in his book Far Journeys, & some of the perspectives by ETs regarding inferior human ideas that D. Cannon described in her book The Custodians. All good reading:-)I did read that Urantia chapter about psychic circles that U recommended – I suspect there are also clues there to explain such intense thoughts, feelings, & odd experiences that STILL give the impression of past lives.
If that’s what you’re looking for, then I can’t help you. If a person can remember their past life as an insect, then their mind is not something I’m familiar with. One of the other things you might look into as a possible explanation is the concept of the alter ego. Every normal person on earth has a dual mind and a dual ego. That feeling of “other life” might just be the other you, your divine self, living in your head.
I also wonder about how our consciousness interacts with the Supreme God (who is evolving & trying to make all things work together for the good of all) as that may also provide clues.
You’re talking about soul consciousness when it comes to the Supreme, and it’s the Holy Spirit in the soul who has connections to the Supreme. So if you’re interested in interacting with the Supreme, be born of the Spirit and work on the psychic circles. The further along you go in the psychic circles, the greater the morontia consciousness of the Supreme. Incidentally, you can call them cosmic circles too because they increase cosmic consciousness. Many of these TUB words overlap.
110:6.16 Perhaps these psychic circles of mortal progression would be better denominated cosmic levels — actual meaning grasps and value realizations of progressive approach to the morontia consciousness of initial relationship of the evolutionary soul with the emerging Supreme Being. And it is this very relationship that makes it forever impossible fully to explain the significance of the cosmic circles to the material mind. These circle attainments are only relatively related to God-consciousness. A seventh or sixth circler can be almost as truly God-knowing — sonship conscious — as a second or first circler, but such lower circle beings are far less conscious of experiential relation to the Supreme Being, universe citizenship. The attainment of these cosmic circles will become a part of the ascenders’ experience on the mansion worlds if they fail of such achievement before natural death.
I also have seen interesting parallels between info in the Urantia book and some odd experiences described by R. Monroe in his book Far Journeys, & some of the perspectives by ETs regarding inferior human ideas that D. Cannon described in her book The Custodians. All good reading:-)
When it comes to the supernatural you will find parallels in all metaphysical works. The supernatural is something we humans are able to sense but cannot understand, so there are as many interpretations of experience with it as there are personalities. I think it’s good to find parallels as long as you realize that the conclusions you draw from them might be erroneous. The human mind is hell-bent on unifying its consciousness and it will connect dots just to have them connected. It doesn’t mean that the dots have been connected correctly, or in the best way. Some dots might be missing. That’s the purpose of revelation, to provide some missing dots. The problem is, some people, once they connect the dots together, don’t want to redo the drawing. And to be fair, some people just can’t, they’re too invested, the whole structure could topple. But it will all be okay in the end. None of it is important for survival. Faith is all you need, a desire for the supernatural Being, the Being people keep chasing and trying to define, the Being they don’t understand but who keeps them constantly intrigued.
Thank you as always for your feedback, Bonita. I think I should give a specific example to demonstrate how specific (and confirmed true by researchers) the details are that individuals have given that strongly suggests past life connections more so than simply labeling such individuals as liars, lunatics, or something else to discredit them without actually investigating such claims. On one episode of “Ghost Inside My Child”, a very young boy kept describing life and death details of an African-American soldier who fought in one of the major global wars, which I think in this case was WW2. The boy’s parents at first thought he was imagining such events until he was able to provide the name (and burial place in Japan!) of that WW2 soldier. When family members later visited Japan, they found the grave of that soldier, then they were able to locate family members of that soldier who were amazed by the young boy’s intimate knowledge of that soldier and his family – even private things that only close family members of the soldier would know! Many such documented cases of suspected reincarnation contain that kind of intimate level of knowledge of people, places, and events! So until rational explanations are given that adequately explain such phenomena, reincarnation will remain as a plausible explanation to many people. You see, false memories doesn’t really explain such phenomenon, nor does the fact that the Urantia book states such explanations as that primitive man falsely got ideas of reincarnation from seeing offspring who looked just like their ancestors. That’s why I am seeking things in the Urantia book that CAN truly explain how & why cases like that still persist. I am NOT opposed to changing my beliefs regarding reincarnation as long as Urantia book teaching are at least equally plausible explanations. Bye for now
The first red flag for me is the fact that your information is from a TV show that makes money off the story. Can’t put much stake in things like that. Sorry. It just doesn’t resonate with my core. Things that don’t resonate with my core get ignored. I’m not saying they are right or wrong, they just don’t resonate. There’s so much more that does resonate that I’m backlogged in my ponderation. Just don’t have the time to ponder the non-resonant. Sorry again.
Hi,
I thought about “reincarnation” . Try to understand ” Why the subject do not interested me that much ? ”
After my earlier years as children, adolescent and young men … basic spiritual cornerstone was set in place. Catholic, metaphysic, Christian and concluded at 61 as Religionist.
I think Religionist is an ever position since bestowal Diety ministries. Expanded potentiallity when bestowed a T/A (Though Adjuster).The “mise à jour” obtained by TUB was consistent and never unequaled, outdated.
I feel like the twins apostles.191:0.11 (2038.6) The Alpheus twins took little part in these serious discussions; they were fairly busy with their customary ministrations. One of them expressed the attitude of both when he said, in reply to a question asked by Philip: “We do not understand about the resurrection, but our mother says she talked with the Master, and we believe her.”
Their faith was childlike.
189:1.3 (2021.2) Mankind is slow to perceive that, in all that is personal, matter is the skeleton of morontia, and that both are the reflected shadow of enduring spirit reality.
Truth having to do with spiritual realities and eternal values cannot always be built up by a combination of apparent facts. Although individual facts may be materially true, it does not follow that the association of a group of facts must necessarily lead to truthful spiritual conclusions. 189:2.6
I do not despite facts and TUB unraveled a LOTS. For excellent reasons concerning own creative imagination,inter allia. But rhetoric [Art of persuasion](invention, arrangement, style, memory, and delivery). It’s not my dish of tea,i prefer coffee. Been there, done that.
I’m curious, do you have anything to say about karma? What is your understanding of it in terms of TUB’s explanation? Bonita
Karma !!! Personally, it is significant of all decisions, all actions taken as Urantian. Explaining the unescapable detour throughout The mansion worlds. Correctives animal/human behaviors which attach me to dysfunctional, illusionary, untrue, unreal perceptions.
This next quote underlines an obligatory passage for humans to come to logical fruition whenever is false or true. But obviously
this branch of philosophy: metaphysics is a necessary evil [error] course due to exceptional Urantian’s challenges.
Paper 103 – The Reality of Religious Experience
103:9:0 (1140.7) Notwithstanding the mythologic vagaries and the psychologic illusions of the intellectual content of religion, the metaphysical assumptions of error and the techniques of self-deception, the political distortions and the socioeconomic perversions of the philosophic content of religion, the spiritual experience of personal religion remains genuine and valid.Regards,
André103:9:0 (1140.7) Notwithstanding the mythologic vagaries and the psychologic illusions of the intellectual content of religion, the metaphysical assumptions of error and the techniques of self-deception, the political distortions and the socioeconomic perversions of the philosophic content of religion, the spiritual experience of personal religion remains genuine and valid.
Fantastic quote. Thanks Andre.
I guess this means people shouldn’t ridicule others for their erroneous metaphysical assumptions, self-deceptions, political distortions or philosophic perversions, right?
Ridiculused, roasted, condamnation, bullying, selfishness, idiocy are all childreen whom loves to play in the mud and their parents Immaturity and Irresponsability take pleasure in it. But I suspect mungrels out there.
As mention in my post. NO steps done on the road of evolution should be criticised by the lights of present time.
If so … check it out you must be an adopted child or a mungrel of the family mentionned.
I guess this means people shouldn’t ridicule others for their erroneous metaphysical assumptions, self-deceptions, political distortions or philosophic perversions, right?
Did Jesus ridiculised the apostles ?
They all can qualified as your question stated
On this platform non-well-moderated, they are persons whom pass by with stubborn, vindicative, evil-intentioned attitudes.
I’m not adressing to them.
Any honest seekers of truths are welcome. Debating pros/cons is ok.
André
Thank you again Andre and Bonita, for I read your thoughtful replies, which includes more Urantia quotes. In fact, what you both have recently provided may serve as relevant connections to something that entered my mind today. Recall in an earlier post of mine in this forum that I like to view ideas from various perspectives. One of my methods of learning is to play with “What if” scenarios, such as asking the question, “What if I assume the Urantia book is totally correct regarding the falseness of reincarnation? What have I learned over the years that I could use to form a logical theory – that I could accept – to support the idea that TUB is totally correct on this issue? Today, I thought of just such a way to regard what people have experienced as a real but misinterpreted phenomenon; you could say that I am attempting to properly identify the mechanisms by which so many humans are viewing reincarnation as true (even if it is NOT true)…
I have read/heard of psychic ability being explained in the following way (by those who also believe in reincarnation)…human brains are like radios/TVs that can “tune into” and then receive something metaphysically akin to broadcast signals; those same brains can also metaphysically “transmit” broadcast signals. What if we humans are unconsciously/subconsciously “tuning into” past lives of other people that were originally broadcast on frequencies that were/are very near to our own particular frequencies?! But instead of properly recognizing those other signals as belonging to other individuals, what if our minds falsely assumed those signals were somehow our own particular signals, thus thinking those past lives of others were actually our own past lives?! Normal functioning human brains always try to make sense of signals they receive, as they routinely do whenever sensory input reaches their eyes and ears. What if a similar kind of process routinely takes place within humans (beyond their normal conscious awareness) in the form of extra sensory perception?!
Hopefully I adequately presented that what if scenario, for it is late and I am getting sleepy and must end my writing for this evening. Will be interesting to read everyone’s replies, including replies from those who fully believe in reincarnation. I hope Bonita (and others who have extensive knowledge of TUB) will let me know if TUB even allows for such a theory, or if TUB even goes further to potentially support such a theory. Bye for now.
I hope Bonita (and others who have extensive knowledge of TUB) will let me know if TUB even allows for such a theory, or if TUB even goes further to potentially support such a theory.
Mind is not contained within the skull. Mind makes contact with physical neural tissue, but it does not reside there. Mind is a ministry and it functions within overlapping circuits.
111:1.5 Human consciousness rests gently upon the electrochemical mechanism below and delicately touches the spirit-morontia energy system above. Of neither of these two systems is the human being ever completely conscious in his mortal life; therefore must he work in mind, of which he is conscious.
Adam and Eve, before being demoted to human, were able to transmit thoughts to their kin over a distance of 50 miles due to a particular gas structure in their heads. Humans do not have these structures.
74:6.6 Adam and Eve could communicate with each other and with their immediate children over a distance of about fifty miles. This thought exchange was effected by means of the delicate gas chambers located in close proximity to their brain structures. By this mechanism they could send and receive thought oscillations. But this power was instantly suspended upon the mind’s surrender to the discord and disruption of evil.
Each person has their own individualized nebula of the cosmic mind ministered to by the adjutant mind ministry (among other mind ministries).
9:5.4 The Conjoint Creator is the ancestor of the cosmic mind, and the mind of man is an individualized circuit, an impersonal portion, of that cosmic mind as it is bestowed in a local universe by a Creative Daughter of the Third Source and Center.
The thoughts within each individualized nebulae can be shared with those of “like-mind”. Mind does run in similar channels because of its origin.
16.6.3 The fact of the cosmic mind explains the kinship of various types of human and superhuman minds. Not only are kindred spirits attracted to each other, but kindred minds are also very fraternal and inclined towards co-operation the one with the other. Human minds are sometimes observed to be running in channels of astonishing similarity and inexplicable agreement.
There are such beings as mind-energy manipulators who function on the morontia spheres to enable intercommunication between people. TUB tells us that this phenomenon is practically nonexistent on earth, which I interpret to mean, not entirely absent.
44:5.3 2. Mind-energy manipulators. These are the experts of intercommunication between morontia and other types of intelligent beings. This form of communication between mortals is practically nonexistent nonexistent on Urantia. These are the specialists who promote the ability of the ascending morontia beings to communicate with one another, and their work embraces numerous unique adventures in intellect liaison which are far beyond my power to portray to the material mind. These artisans are the keen students of the mind circuits of the Infinite Spirit.
However, there is nothing at all in TUB which suggests that thought waves linger past the time the personality is alive and actively creating them unless they are of high spiritual value, in which case they are drawn to the absolute mind circuit of the Third Source and Center by mind-gravity. But these thoughts are not individualized memories, they are concepts of pure value.
9:6.2 Much as the Father draws all personality to himself, and as the Son attracts all spiritual reality, so does the Conjoint Actor exercise a drawing power on all minds; he unqualifiedly dominates and controls the universal mind circuit. All true and genuine intellectual values, all divine thoughts and perfect ideas, are unerringly drawn into this absolute circuit of mind.
Memories are an individual experience. Human experience involves more than mind waves or thoughts, it involves the entire self, including the personality which unifies it.
102:4.2 What is human experience? It is simply any interplay between an active and questioning self and any other active and external reality. The mass of experience is determined by depth of concept plus totality of recognition of the reality of the external. The motion of experience equals the force of expectant imagination plus the keenness of the sensory discovery of the external qualities of contacted reality. The fact of experience is found in self-consciousness plus other-existences — other-thingness, other-mindness, and other-spiritness.
Those experiences with any value are duplicated by the Adjuster for posterity as memories and are the property of the soul and the Adjuster. They are not broadcasted. They are entirely passive after death until the individual personality is resurrected by the return of the Adjuster who activates them. Unresurrected individuals are absent personality and incapable of communicating (no one knows where the personality of a sleeping survivor goes. 112:5.15); resurrected personalities are forbidden to communicate with mortals from their native planet.
112:6.7 Mortal mind, prior to death, is self-consciously independent of the Adjuster presence; adjutant mind needs only the associated material-energy pattern to enable it to operate.But the morontia soul, being superadjutant, does not retain self-consciousness without the Adjuster when deprived of the material-mind mechanism. This evolving soul does, however, possess a continuing character derived from the decisions of its former associated adjutant mind, and this character becomes active memory when the patterns thereof are energized by the returning Adjuster.
112:3.7 Such dis-Adjustered souls are wholly and absolutely unconscious during the long or short sleep of death. There can be no exhibition of any sort of personality or ability to engage in communications with other personalities until after completion of survival. Those who go to the mansion worlds are not permitted to send messages back to their loved ones. It is the policy throughout the universes to forbid such communication during the period of a current dispensation.
It is possible to know the mind of others, but there is nothing said about the possibility to know the minds of dead people, minds which have ceased to function in connection with a personality. There has to be a consciousness of an active “other-than-self”. Both self-consciousness and “other-than-self” consciousness is a property of personality. Any lingering mind oscillations, as you propose, must still be attached to an active personality in order to be perceived by another personality’s consciousness.
102:4.1 Because of the presence in your minds of the Thought Adjuster, it is no more of a mystery for you to know the mind of God than for you to be sure of the consciousness of knowing any other mind, human or superhuman. Religion and social consciousness have this in common: They are predicated on the consciousness of other-mindness. The technique whereby you can accept another’s idea as yours is the same whereby you may “let the mind which was in Christ be also in you.”
16:8.5 Creature personality is distinguished by two self-manifesting and characteristic phenomena of mortal reactive behavior: self-consciousness and associated relative free will.
16:8.6 Self-consciousness consists in intellectual awareness of personality actuality; it includes the ability to recognize the reality of other personalities. It indicates capacity for individualized experience in and with cosmic realities, equivalating to the attainment of identity status in the personality relationships of the universe. Self-consciousness connotes recognition of the actuality of mind ministration and the realization of relative independence of creative and determinative free will.
Wow Bonita – though I will have to review your last detailed reply (possibly a few times, due to all the good TUB quotes, it gives me hope in finding possible answers to my primary questions! I am especially intrigued by the TUB quotes with regard to the nature and function of the cosmic mind. If you recall, I mentioned that there are interesting parallels between TUB and “The Custodians” and “Far Journeys”, especially in “The Custodians”. In that book, there is one or more references to the cosmic mind, and a description of a peculiar experience that 2 people were allowed to share that makes me think I should learn as much as I can about the cosmic mind as presented in TUB. Likewise, from one of the TUB quotes you shared, I should research ” a Creative Daughter of the 3rd Source and Center. (I saw on the website that someone put together a resource that gives information about many of the personalities referenced in TUB.)
I have a few questions in the meantime, Bonita. Does TUB comment on the Earth itself as being a living being, something comparable to the Gaia concept? Related to that, does TUB comment on anything comparable to the Akashic Records? You quoted and commented on the fact that once we fully transition into morontia life, we cannot communicate with the world of the living, which is also the basic idea found in the Bible. Usually, the idea of reincarnation does NOT involve the dead communicating with living, but does TUB contain anything comparable to the idea of simultaneous lifetimes, in the sense of “past, present, and future” being more of a human construct that only exists on Earth?
It’s after 2am, so to sleep I must go for now.
Does TUB comment on the Earth itself as being a living being, something comparable to the Gaia concept?
No. Earth has life but it is not a being. If a planet is a being, then Paradise would also have to be a being, a member of the Trinity, which it is not. The word being suggests personality, and while all beings have personality, not all entities do. However, both personalities and entities are minded in some way. It is also true that all life on the planet is minded in some way, but not all of the planet is living. The physical matter and energy of the planet is nonliving yet it supports life. The confusion comes from the fact that matter is responsive to mind, but this does not mean that matter itself is minded; but rather, matter is conditioned by mind, the divine mind of the Conjoint Actor. The role of the cosmic mind is to coordinate matter and spirit.
0:5.5 The Universal Father is the secret of the reality of personality, the bestowal of personality, and the destiny of personality. The Eternal Son is the absolute personality, the secret of spiritual energy, morontia spirits, and perfected spirits. The Conjoint Actor is the spirit-mind personality, the source of intelligence, reason, and the universal mind. But the Isle of Paradise is nonpersonal and extraspiritual, being the essence of the universal body, the source and center of physical matter, and the absolute master pattern of universal material reality.
9:3.7 Paradise is not a person.
9.6.7 The greater the spirit-energy divergence, the greater the observable function of mind; the lesser the diversity of energy and spirit, the lesser the observable function of mind. Apparently, the maximum function of the cosmic mind is in the time universes of space. Here mind seems to function in a mid-zone between energy and spirit, but this is not true of the higher levels of mind; on Paradise, energy and spirit are essentially one.
Related to that, does TUB comment on anything comparable to the Akashic Records?
There are tons of records, but they are not accessible to earth-bound humans. Some will become accessible on the mansion worlds with assistance from angelic aids. There are living records (available through reflectivity) and non-living records available for study. Unfortunately, we mortals on earth do not have access to them, but our Adjusters do.
17:3.9 While Thought Adjusters do not participate in the operation of the universal reflectivity system, we have every reason to believe that all Father fragments are fully cognizant of these transactions and are able to avail themselves of their content.
25:6.2 As the recorders advance in universe service, they continue their system of dual recording, thus making their records always available to all classes of beings, from those of the material order to the high spirits of light. In your transition experience, as you ascend from this material world, you will always be able to consult the records of, and to be otherwise conversant with, the history and traditions of your status sphere
does TUB contain anything comparable to the idea of simultaneous lifetimes, in the sense of “past, present, and future” being more of a human construct that only exists on Earth?
No. Not aware of any such thing. Timelessness is a feature of the absolute level of reality, and the absonite level of reality transcends time, neither of which are capable of being experienced by earth-bound mortals.
0:1.13 The absolute level is beginningless, endless, timeless, and spaceless. For example: On Paradise, time and space are nonexistent; the time-space status of Paradise is absolute. This level is Trinity attained, existentially, by the Paradise Deities, but this third level of unifying Deity expression is not fully unified experientially. Whenever, wherever, and however the absolute level of Deity functions, Paradise-absolute values and meanings are manifest.
0:1.12 The absonite level of reality is characterized by things and beings without beginnings or endings and by the transcendence of time and space. Absoniters are not created; they are eventuated — they simply are. The Deity level of Ultimacy connotes a function in relation to absonite realities. No matter in what part of the master universe, whenever time and space are transcended, such an absonite phenomenon is an act of the Ultimacy of Deity.
Thank you Bonita for not only this most recent reply, but thank you also for something you wrote about 8 years or so ago on the Urantia website (InVisionZone) regarding TUB teachings (and your commentary) on the cosmic mind – I have only just began reading that – very informative!
Now that you have given much input into the topic of reincarnation from the point of view of TUB, and after my attempts to seriously consider what TUB contains & you all have written on this forum, I am willing to accept that what humans are experiencing is NOT EXACTLY true reincarnation, as TUB states. And ironically, while my most recent thoughts on how/why some humans have had such profound experiences that have led them to assume reincarnation (which I have not yet shared with you) actually fit fairly well with TUB, I don’t think hardcore supporters of TUB would fully agree with my current ideas. For that reason, I hesitate to share the full extent of those ideas.
But I will write something regarding a pattern I find throughout TUB, which may shed light on this subject. People throughout history have shown that they can only handle so much truth, and higher beings have been relatively tolerant of that fact. Thus, when people living hundreds and thousands of years ago mistakenly but understandably concluded that reincarnation was true, the basic attitude of higher beings was that it was a close enough approximation of the actual truth for their evolutionary level of understanding. Likewise, even one of the most emphasized points made throughout TUB is the concept of the Universal Father, but even TUB admits that that concept is only the closest approximation to the actual truth that can be taught to us humans based on humanity’s level of understanding (as of the first half of the 1900s). It’s also in part due to the limits of the English language. I’m going to also share another important factor that I have learned in recent years – whenever information is “revealed” to humans from “higher sources”, those sources are sensitive to not only the limited understanding of the humans through which the information flows, but also the limited understanding of the original listeners of such revealed information is taken into consideration. Thus, I doubt that those who heard and observed various entities communicating through the sleeping “chosen one” would have even thought to ask some of the questions I have asked in this forum, such as my question about simultaneous realities. And that may be one of the main reasons it was NOT covered in TUB; likewise, I doubt that those same original listeners/observers would have even thought to ask about the concept of us humans being the “corpuscles of God” (to borrow a phrase from Edgar Cayce) . If anyone thinks that is an outrageous concept – that we humans form microscopic parts of a God whom we cannot perceive with our 5 senses, then was Paul (in the Bible) completely wrong to tell the Greeks in Athens that “in God we live, move, and have our being?!” What I am saying is that even TUB does NOT claim to be total, perfect truth that can never be revised. TUB even states that some of the science it contains will eventually become outdated as humans continue to learn. That’s an honest, realistic claim in TUB, and I am inclined to belief that it’s possible that other parts of TUB may also someday be revised as humans continue to learn; that’s why I won’t be dogmatic about what it contains, to the exclusion of everything else I have learned so far.
TUB may NOT be exempt from the limitations I stated in the prior paragraph; HOWEVER, even with such limitations, TUB may still be the BEST source of revealed knowledge & wisdom that is capable of influencing the widest range of people with diverse backgrounds and various levels of understanding on Earth since the Urantia Papers were first produced. Thus, I have NO problem recommending it to anyone and everyone. And in my opinion, TUB (when compared to books that would fall into a similar genre) also has the distinct advantage of withstanding modern scrutiny. (I can’t tell you how many times I have heard people unfairly criticizing the Bible for NOT withstanding modern scrutiny; for goodness sake, it was written for people thousands of years ago, when modern knowledge and modern scrutiny did NOT exist and was NOT expected. It’s almost a miracle that it has lasted so long and positively influenced so many people throughout its existence!) In contrast to TUB, while I may still value some of the teachings of Theosophy, it mostly only appeals to those who already accept the idea of Ageless Wisdom being taught by great world teachers/avatars at least once per zodiac age. And for those who have held relatively traditional concepts of Christianity and the Bible as I did for many years, the readings of Edgar Cayce have been helpful to people like me who simply needed to expand their limited awareness in appropriate ways, but Cayce’s readings still only appeal to a relatively limited audience. (Yes, there are always going to be people who take ideas to the extreme, but I am NOT referring to those people when expressing such generalizations; please learn to separate the wheat from the chaff, and don’t throw out the baby with the bath water! And I don’t mean to purposely ignore other comparable sources of knowledge and wisdom; I’m simply not as familiar with other sources.
Perhaps another time I will be more specific about my revised views of reincarnation. By the way Bonita – I especially liked the quote (& imagery) of how physical reality is like the skeletal structure for the morontia reality!
G’day everyone,
Maybee you refered to this thread Michael?
Here is the link.
The cosmic mind. Bonita
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