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    Richard E Warren
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    Welcome to The OPAD Online Study Session

    Today’s Presentation

    Paper 176 – TUESDAY EVENING ON MOUNT OLIVET

    [INTRODUCTION]

    THIS Tuesday afternoon, as Jesus and the apostles passed out of the temple on their way to the Gethsemane camp, Matthew, calling attention to the temple construction, said: “Master, observe what manner of buildings these are. See the massive stones and the beautiful adornment; can it be that these buildings are to be destroyed?” As they went on toward Olivet, Jesus said: “You see these stones and this massive temple; verily, verily, I say to you: In the days soon to come there shall not be left one stone upon another. They shall all be thrown down.” These remarks depicting the destruction of the sacred temple aroused the curiosity of the apostles as they walked along behind the Master; they could conceive of no event short of the end of the world which would occasion the destruction of the temple.

    (1912.2) 176:0.2 In order to avoid the crowds passing along the Kidron valley toward Gethsemane, Jesus and his associates were minded to climb up the western slope of Olivet for a short distance and then follow a trail over to their private camp near Gethsemane located a short distance above the public camping ground. As they turned to leave the road leading on to Bethany, they observed the temple, glorified by the rays of the setting sun; and while they tarried on the mount, they saw the lights of the city appear and beheld the beauty of the illuminated temple; and there, under the mellow light of the full moon, Jesus and the twelve sat down. The Master talked with them, and presently Nathaniel asked this question: “Tell us, Master, how shall we know when these events are about to come to pass?”

     

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    Richard E Warren

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    Richard E Warren
    Richard E Warren
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    Greetings Fellow Students, Forum Friends, Members and Guests!

    Welcome to the OPAD presentation of Paper 176. It has four Sections and eight pages. This Paper is remarkable for many reasons, mostly around the time and method of Michael’s second coming. But we are told his second visit may be followed by yet other visits from our Universe Sovereign.

    And we are informed of insertion into three of the Gospel books–Mark, Matthew and Luke–errors regarding his return, and that John’s Gospel was not so altered. Also in this fascinating Paper is another version of the parable of the pounds, making spiritual gains with our God-given “talents”.

    Overview of Paper 176 – Tuesday Evening on Mount Olivet

    1. The Destruction of Jerusalem
    2. The Master’s Second Coming
    3. Later Discussion at the Camp
    4. The Return of Michael

    This group of papers [121-196] was sponsored by a commission of twelve Urantia midwayers acting under the supervision of a Melchizedek revelatory director. The basis of this narrative was supplied by a secondary midwayer who was onetime assigned to the superhuman watchcare of the Apostle Andrew.

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    Synopsis of Paper 176:

    On Tuesday evening as the Master and his men left Jerusalem for the Gethsemane camp, Jesus declared to his apostles that the temple in Jerusalem would be destroyed. He admonished them not to be overly concerned about being delivered to the authorities, thrown out of the synagogue, put in prison, or even put to death for the gospel’s sake. He advised the apostles to remain in the city until Roman troops invaded Jerusalem, at which time they should flee into the mountains.

    The apostles were bewildered by the Master’s predictions. In spite of his attempts to dissuade them, many apostles assumed that the destruction of Jerusalem would coincide with Jesus’ promised return.

    “Have I not all this time taught you that your connection with the kingdom is spiritual and individual, wholly a matter of personal experience in the spirit by the faith‑realization that you are a son of God? What more shall I say? The downfall of nations, the crash of empires, the destruction of the unbelieving Jews, the end of an age, even the end of the world, what have these things to do with one who believes this gospel, and who has hid his life in the surety of the eternal kingdom? What does it matter to you who believe this gospel of the kingdom if nations overturn, the age ends, or all things visible crash, since you know that your life is the gift of the Son, and that it is eternally secure in the Father?”

    “Every generation of believers should carry on their work, in view of the possible return of the Son of Man, exactly as each individual believer carries forward his lifework in view of inevitable and ever-impending natural death.”

    Jesus told a story about a man who, before embarking on a journey, divided his treasures among his servants to be cared for while he was gone. Most of the servants invested their talents to increase their master’s wealth, but one servant buried the talent entrusted to him in the ground. When the master returned, he commended those servants who had invested their talents wisely, and he increased their responsibilities. But the servant who buried his talent in the ground was chastised, and his talent was taken from him. “To every one who has, more shall be given, and he shall have abundance; but from him who has not, even that which he has shall be taken away. You cannot stand still in the affairs of the kingdom.”

    “Truth is living; the Spirit of Truth is ever leading the children of light into new realms of spiritual reality and divine service. You are not given truth to crystallize into settled, safe, and honored forms. Your revelation of truth must be so enhanced by passing through your personal experience that new beauty and actual spiritual gains will be disclosed to all who behold your spiritual fruits and in consequence thereof are led to glorify the Father who is in heaven.”

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    The Midwayers mention the Kidron valley in the introduction to this Paper. From Wikipedia:

    The Kidron Valley, is the valley on the eastern side of The Old City of Jerusalem, separating the Temple Mount from the Mount of Olives.

     

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    Also cited in today’s reading are Gethsemane and Mt. Olivet. From Urantia Foundation’s “In His Steps” mapset:

    http://www.urantia.org/sites/default/files/images/ihs/map-33-735px.jpg?1402517872

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    Tomorrow’s reading is Section 1. The Destruction of Jerusalem. Jesus attempts to clarify predictions of both the temple’s destruction and his reappearance, which seems only to create more confusion in the minds of some of his tradition-bound apostles.

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    Richard E Warren

    #7920
    Richard E Warren
    Richard E Warren
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    Welcome to The OPAD Online Study Session

    Today’s Presentation

    Paper 176 – TUESDAY EVENING ON MOUNT OLIVET

     

    1. The Destruction of Jerusalem

       In answering Nathaniel’s question, Jesus said: “Yes, I will tell you about the times when this people shall have filled up the cup of their iniquity; when justice shall swiftly descend upon this city of our fathers. I am about to leave you; I go to the Father. After I leave you, take heed that no man deceive you, for many will come as deliverers and will lead many astray. When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, be not troubled, for though all these things will happen, the end of Jerusalem is not yet at hand. You should not be perturbed by famines or earthquakes; neither should you be concerned when you are delivered up to the civil authorities and are persecuted for the sake of the gospel. You will be thrown out of the synagogue and put in prison for my sake, and some of you will be killed. When you are brought up before governors and rulers, it shall be for a testimony of your faith and to show your steadfastness in the gospel of the kingdom. And when you stand before judges, be not anxious beforehand as to what you should say, for the spirit will teach you in that very hour what you should answer your adversaries. In these days of travail, even your own kinsfolk, under the leadership of those who have rejected the Son of Man, will deliver you up to prison and death. For a time you may be hated by all men for my sake, but even in these persecutions I will not forsake you; my spirit will not desert you. Be patient! doubt not that this gospel of the kingdom will triumph over all enemies and, eventually, be proclaimed to all nations.”

    (1913.1)176:1.2 Jesus paused while he looked down upon the city. The Master realized that the rejection of the spiritual concept of the Messiah, the determination to cling persistently and blindly to the material mission of the expected deliverer, would presently bring the Jews in direct conflict with the powerful Roman armies, and that such a contest could only result in the final and complete overthrow of the Jewish nation. When his people rejected his spiritual bestowal and refused to receive the light of heaven as it so mercifully shone upon them, they thereby sealed their doom as an independent people with a special spiritual mission on earth. Even the Jewish leaders subsequently recognized that it was this secular idea of the Messiah which directly led to the turbulence which eventually brought about their destruction.

    (1913.2)176:1.3 Since Jerusalem was to become the cradle of the early gospel movement, Jesus did not want its teachers and preachers to perish in the terrible overthrow of the Jewish people in connection with the destruction of Jerusalem; wherefore did he give these instructions to his followers. Jesus was much concerned lest some of his disciples become involved in these soon-coming revolts and so perish in the downfall of Jerusalem.

    (1913.3)176:1.4 Then Andrew inquired: “But, Master, if the Holy City and the temple are to be destroyed, and if you are not here to direct us, when should we forsake Jerusalem?” Said Jesus: “You may remain in the city after I have gone, even through these times of travail and bitter persecution, but when you finally see Jerusalem being encompassed by the Roman armies after the revolt of the false prophets, then will you know that her desolation is at hand; then must you flee to the mountains. Let none who are in the city and around about tarry to save aught, neither let those who are outside dare to enter therein. There will be great tribulation, for these will be the days of gentile vengeance. And after you have deserted the city, this disobedient people will fall by the edge of the sword and will be led captive into all nations; and so shall Jerusalem be trodden down by the gentiles. In the meantime, I warn you, be not deceived. If any man comes to you, saying, ‘Behold, here is the Deliverer,’ or ‘Behold, there is he,’ believe it not, for many false teachers will arise and many will be led astray; but you should not be deceived, for I have told you all this beforehand.”

    (1913.4)176:1.5 The apostles sat in silence in the moonlight for a considerable time while these astounding predictions of the Master sank into their bewildered minds. And it was in conformity with this very warning that practically the entire group of believers and disciples fled from Jerusalem upon the first appearance of the Roman troops, finding a safe shelter in Pella to the north.

    (1913.5)176:1.6 Even after this explicit warning, many of Jesus’ followers interpreted these predictions as referring to the changes which would obviously occur in Jerusalem when the reappearing of the Messiah would result in the establishment of the New Jerusalem and in the enlargement of the city to become the world’s capital. In their minds these Jews were determined to connect the destruction of the temple with the “end of the world.” They believed this New Jerusalem would fill all Palestine; that the end of the world would be followed by the immediate appearance of the “new heavens and the new earth.” And so it was not strange that Peter should say: “Master, we know that all things will pass away when the new heavens and the new earth appear, but how shall we know when you will return to bring all this about?”

    (1914.1)176:1.7 When Jesus heard this, he was thoughtful for some time and then said: “You ever err since you always try to attach the new teaching to the old; you are determined to misunderstand all my teaching; you insist on interpreting the gospel in accordance with your established beliefs. Nevertheless, I will try to enlighten you.”

     

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    Richard E Warren

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    Richard E Warren
    Richard E Warren
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    Good Day Gene, Bonita, Brad, Alina, Carola, Fellow Students, Forum Friends, Members and Visitors,

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    This advice from Jesus:

    “…when you stand before judges, be not anxious beforehand as to what you should say, for the spirit will teach you in that very hour what you should answer your adversaries….” (1912.3)176:1.1

    …was validated by the humble blind man, Josiah, who so completely flummoxed the Sanhedrin when they questioned him about the restoration of his sight. From Paper 164:

     …Then Josiah, standing upon a stool, shouted abroad to all who could hear, saying: “Hearken, you who claim to be the teachers of all Israel, while I declare to you that herein is a great marvel since you confess that you know not whence this man is, and yet you know of a certainty, from the testimony which you have heard, that he opened my eyes. We all know that God does not perform such works for the ungodly; that God would do such a thing only at the request of a true worshiper — for one who is holy and righteous. You know that not since the beginning of the world have you ever heard of the opening of the eyes of one who was born blind. Look, then, all of you, upon me and realize what has been done this day in Jerusalem! I tell you, if this man were not from God, he could not do this.” And as the Sanhedrists departed in anger and confusion, they shouted to him: “You were altogether born in sin, and do you now presume to teach us? Maybe you were not really born blind, and even if your eyes were opened on the Sabbath day, this was done by the power of the prince of devils.” And they went at once to the synagogue to cast out Josiah…. (1814.7) 164:4.11

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    Hmm…I’m not sure when this recognition happened, you? From today’s reading:

    …Even the Jewish leaders subsequently recognized that it was this secular idea of the Messiah which directly led to the turbulence which eventually brought about their destruction…. (1913.1)176:1.2

     

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    With his crystal clear foresight Jesus predicts Jerusalem’s utter and complete downfall, and his admonition to flee worked out very well. From today’s reading:

    …it was in conformity with this very warning that practically the entire group of believers and disciples fled from Jerusalem upon the first appearance of the Roman troops, finding a safe shelter in Pella to the north…. (1913.4) 176:1.5

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    Some of this evening’s discussion found its way into the “synoptic gospels”, Matthew, Mark and Luke. This, from today’s reading:

    …In their minds these Jews were determined to connect the destruction of the temple with the “end of the world.” They believed this New Jerusalem would fill all Palestine; that the end of the world would be followed by the immediate appearance of the “new heavens and the new earth.” And so it was not strange that Peter should say: “Master, we know that all things will pass away when the new heavens and the new earth appear, but how shall we know when you will return to bring all this about? (1913.5) 176:1.6

    …is reflected in Matthew 24:

     1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

    2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

    5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

    7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

    8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

    9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

    10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

    11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

    12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

    13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    25 Behold, I have told you before.

    26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

     

    From Mark 13:

     1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!

    2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,

    4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

    5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

    6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.

    8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

    9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

    10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

    11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

    12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

    13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

    15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:

    16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.

    17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

    18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.

    19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

    20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

    21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

    22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

    23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

     

    From Luke 21:

    5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

    6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

    7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

    8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

    9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

    10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

    11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

    12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.

    13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

    14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

    15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

    16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

    17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.

    18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

    19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

    20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

    22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

    23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

    24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

    26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

    27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

    28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

    29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

    30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

    31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

    32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

    33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

     

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    Tomorrow’s reading is Section 2. The Master’s Second Coming. The Master answers Peter’s question, but confusion persists, about his return, about filling David’s throne, and about the mythical “end of the world”.

     

    Overview of Paper 176 – Tuesday Evening on Mount Olivet

    1. The Destruction of Jerusalem

    2. The Master’s Second Coming

    3. Later Discussion at the Camp

    4. The Return of Michael

    This group of papers [121-196] was sponsored by a commission of twelve Urantia midwayers acting under the supervision of a Melchizedek revelatory director. The basis of this narrative was supplied by a secondary midwayer who was onetime assigned to the superhuman watchcare of the Apostle Andrew.

    Listen to Paper 176: (click the speaker icon at the top of the page)

    Thanks for reading. Members’ thoughts, reflections, insights, observations, comments, corrections and questions about today’s OPAD presentation are invited.

    Much love, Rick/OPAD host.

    Richard E Warren

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    Bonita
    Bonita
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    Hmm…I’m not sure when this recognition happened, you? From today’s reading: …Even the Jewish leaders subsequently recognized that it was this secular idea of the Messiah which directly led to the turbulence which eventually brought about their destruction…. (1913.1)176:1.2

    The following is taken from truthnet.org.  It explains what happened after Bar Kokhba, the last Jewish messiah, was defeated.  The Rabbis recognized the error of Akiva ben Yosef and begin to change their views concerning the messiah.

     In 131 A.D., the Emperor Hadrian built a Temple to Jupiter on the Temple Mount, this caused the Jews again to Rebel against Rome.  Simeon bar Kosba, later hailed as the Messiah, defeated the Roman Egyptian Legion.  The greatest Rabbi of the day, Akiva ben Yosef,  also gave him the title Bar Kokhba (“Son of the Star”), a messianic allusion. Bar Kokhba took the title nasi (“prince”) and struck his own coins, with the legend “Year 1 of the liberty of Jerusalem.”

    The Emperor Hadrian took charge of the battle and defeated Bar Kokhba, after a bloody fight.  According to records 580,000 Jews were killed  following the Roman victory. Jerusalem was renamed Aelia Capitolina and the land name was changed to Palestine to erase the memory of Judea.  Jews were forbidden to enter the new city.

     Following the defeat of Bar Kokhba and the destruction of the Temple, the world of Judaism changed.  Jews were forbidden to enter the city built on the ruined Jerusalem, Aelia Capitolina.  The area was called Palestine after the Philistines, the name Judea was banned.  Hadrian’s policy was to erase the history of the Jewish people.  Entire Jewish populations were scattered throughout the Roman Empire.  Some Jews were allowed to remain.

    The Romans accepted the submissive Rabbi’s who rejected the idea of rebellion and who could control the people.  They were allowed to stay in Galilee area.  There the Oral Law[2]was compiled as the Mishna.   The defeat of Jewish resistance to Rome led to the next period of Judaism, Rabbinical Judaism and the progenitors of Modern Judaism.   (http://www.truthnet.org/TheMessiah/2_HistoryofJudaism/)

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    Richard E Warren
    Richard E Warren
    Participant

    The following is taken from truthnet.org. It explains what happened after Bar Kokhba, the last Jewish messiah, was defeated. The Rabbis recognized the error of Akiva ben Yosef and begin to change their views concerning the messiah.

    In 131 A.D., the Emperor Hadrian built a Temple to Jupiter on the Temple Mount, this caused the Jews again to Rebel against Rome. Simeon bar Kosba, later hailed as the Messiah, defeated the Roman Egyptian Legion. The greatest Rabbi of the day, Akiva ben Yosef, also gave him the title Bar Kokhba (“Son of the Star”), a messianic allusion. Bar Kokhba took the title nasi (“prince”) and struck his own coins, with the legend “Year 1 of the liberty of Jerusalem.”

    The Emperor Hadrian took charge of the battle and defeated Bar Kokhba, after a bloody fight. According to records 580,000 Jews were killed following the Roman victory. Jerusalem was renamed Aelia Capitolina and the land name was changed to Palestine to erase the memory of Judea. Jews were forbidden to enter the new city.

    Following the defeat of Bar Kokhba and the destruction of the Temple, the world of Judaism changed. Jews were forbidden to enter the city built on the ruined Jerusalem, Aelia Capitolina. The area was called Palestine after the Philistines, the name Judea was banned. Hadrian’s policy was to erase the history of the Jewish people. Entire Jewish populations were scattered throughout the Roman Empire. Some Jews were allowed to remain.

    The Romans accepted the submissive Rabbi’s who rejected the idea of rebellion and who could control the people. They were allowed to stay in Galilee area. There the Oral Law[2]was compiled as the Mishna. The defeat of Jewish resistance to Rome led to the next period of Judaism, Rabbinical Judaism and the progenitors of Modern Judaism. (http://www.truthnet.org/TheMessiah/2_HistoryofJudaism/)

    Thanks, Bonita. But I must be missing something. Which part supports today’s text, about recognition that a secular messiah was in error?

    Richard E Warren

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    Bonita
    Bonita
    Participant

    Bar Kokhba was the last supposed significant secular messiah.  His defeat lead to the next period of  modern reformed rabbinical Judaism which has long denied that there will be another messiah.  The Bar Kokhba experience was a bitter one.  The horrible “turbulence” of that experience “brought about their destruction”. The rabbis realized this and changed their teaching from a messiah changing the world to the world changing by human effort alone.

    Does that make sense or have I totally missed the point myself?

     

     

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    Richard E Warren
    Richard E Warren
    Participant

    So, reformed rabbinical Judaism isn’t still expecting?

    Richard E Warren

    #7939
    Bonita
    Bonita
    Participant

    That’s right. Hasidic and some conservative Jews still expect a messiah, or a messianic age, but the majority of modern Jews do not.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_messianism

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    Richard E Warren
    Richard E Warren
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    Welcome to The OPAD Online Study Session

    Today’s Presentation

    Paper 176 – TUESDAY EVENING ON MOUNT OLIVET

    2. The Master’s Second Coming

      

       On several occasions Jesus had made statements which led his hearers to infer that, while he intended presently to leave this world, he would most certainly return to consummate the work of the heavenly kingdom. As the conviction grew on his followers that he was going to leave them, and after he had departed from this world, it was only natural for all believers to lay fast hold upon these promises to return. The doctrine of the second coming of Christ thus became early incorporated into the teachings of the Christians, and almost every subsequent generation of disciples has devoutly believed this truth and has confidently looked forward to his sometime coming.

    (1914.3)176:2.2 If they were to part with their Master and Teacher, how much more did these first disciples and the apostles grasp at this promise to return, and they lost no time in associating the predicted destruction of Jerusalem with this promised second coming. And they continued thus to interpret his words notwithstanding that, throughout this evening of instruction on Mount Olivet, the Master took particular pains to prevent just such a mistake.

    (1914.4)176:2.3 In further answer to Peter’s question, Jesus said: “Why do you still look for the Son of Man to sit upon the throne of David and expect that the material dreams of the Jews will be fulfilled? Have I not told you all these years that my kingdom is not of this world? The things which you now look down upon are coming to an end, but this will be a new beginning out of which the gospel of the kingdom will go to all the world and this salvation will spread to all peoples. And when the kingdom shall have come to its full fruition, be assured that the Father in heaven will not fail to visit you with an enlarged revelation of truth and an enhanced demonstration of righteousness, even as he has already bestowed upon this world him who became the prince of darkness, and then Adam, who was followed by Melchizedek, and in these days, the Son of Man. And so will my Father continue to manifest his mercy and show forth his love, even to this dark and evil world. So also will I, after my Father has invested me with all power and authority, continue to follow your fortunes and to guide in the affairs of the kingdom by the presence of my spirit, who shall shortly be poured out upon all flesh. Even though I shall thus be present with you in spirit, I also promise that I will sometime return to this world, where I have lived this life in the flesh and achieved the experience of simultaneously revealing God to man and leading man to God. Very soon must I leave you and take up the work the Father has intrusted to my hands, but be of good courage, for I will sometime return. In the meantime, my Spirit of the Truth of a universe shall comfort and guide you.

    (1915.1)176:2.4“You behold me now in weakness and in the flesh, but when I return, it shall be with power and in the spirit. The eye of flesh beholds the Son of Man in the flesh, but only the eye of the spirit will behold the Son of Man glorified by the Father and appearing on earth in his own name.

    (1915.2)176:2.5“But the times of the reappearing of the Son of Man are known only in the councils of Paradise; not even the angels of heaven know when this will occur. However, you should understand that, when this gospel of the kingdom shall have been proclaimed to all the world for the salvation of all peoples, and when the fullness of the age has come to pass, the Father will send you another dispensational bestowal, or else the Son of Man will return to adjudge the age.

    (1915.3)176:2.6“And now concerning the travail of Jerusalem, about which I have spoken to you, even this generation will not pass away until my words are fulfilled; but concerning the times of the coming again of the Son of Man, no one in heaven or on earth may presume to speak. But you should be wise regarding the ripening of an age; you should be alert to discern the signs of the times. You know when the fig tree shows its tender branches and puts forth its leaves that summer is near. Likewise, when the world has passed through the long winter of material-mindedness and you discern the coming of the spiritual springtime of a new dispensation, should you know that the summertime of a new visitation draws near.

    (1915.4)176:2.7“But what is the significance of this teaching having to do with the coming of the Sons of God? Do you not perceive that, when each of you is called to lay down his life struggle and pass through the portal of death, you stand in the immediate presence of judgment, and that you are face to face with the facts of a new dispensation of service in the eternal plan of the infinite Father? What the whole world must face as a literal fact at the end of an age, you, as individuals, must each most certainly face as a personal experience when you reach the end of your natural life and thereby pass on to be confronted with the conditions and demands inherent in the next revelation of the eternal progression of the Father’s kingdom.”

    (1915.5)176:2.8 Of all the discourses which the Master gave his apostles, none ever became so confused in their minds as this one, given this Tuesday evening on the Mount of Olives, regarding the twofold subject of the destruction of Jerusalem and his own second coming. There was, therefore, little agreement between the subsequent written accounts based on the memories of what the Master said on this extraordinary occasion. Consequently, when the records were left blank concerning much that was said that Tuesday evening, there grew up many traditions; and very early in the second century a Jewish apocalyptic about the Messiah written by one Selta, who was attached to the court of the Emperor Caligula, was bodily copied into the Matthew Gospel and subsequently added (in part) to the Mark and Luke records. It was in these writings of Selta that the parable of the ten virgins appeared. No part of the gospel record ever suffered such confusing misconstruction as this evening’s teaching. But the Apostle John never became thus confused.

    (1915.6)176:2.9 As these thirteen men resumed their journey toward the camp, they were speechless and under great emotional tension. Judas had finally confirmed his decision to abandon his associates. It was a late hour when David Zebedee, John Mark, and a number of the leading disciples welcomed Jesus and the twelve to the new camp, but the apostles did not want to sleep; they wanted to know more about the destruction of Jerusalem, the Master’s departure, and the end of the world.

     

     

     

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    So much myth has grown up around Michael’s return to Urantia. I expect he won’t until the dawn of Light and Life. Of course that’s pure speculation on my part. 

    Wikipedia has quite a bit on the subject, beginning with:

    In Christianity, the Second Coming, sometimes called the second advent of Christ or the parousia, is the anticipated return of Jesus to Earth. The belief is based on prophecies found in the canonical gospels and is part of most Christian eschatologies. The coming is predicted in biblical messianic prophecies. Views about the nature of Jesus’ Second Coming vary among Christian denominations and among individual Christians.

    Most English versions of the Nicene Creed in current use include the following statements: “…he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. … We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.”

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    Their is much diversity of tradition and interpretation within and without Christianity, from the Catholics to the Jehovah’s Witness, even Islam teaches Jesus will return.

    According to Islamic tradition, Jesus’s descent will be in the midst of wars fought by the Mahdi (lit. “the rightly guided one”), known in Islamic eschatology as the redeemer of Islam, against the al-Masīh ad-Dajjāl (literally “false messiah”, synonymous with the Antichrist) and his followers. Jesus will descend at the point of a white arcade, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes—his head anointed. He will then join the Mahdi in his war against the Dajjal. Jesus, considered in Islam as a Muslim (one who submits to God) and one of God’s messengers, will abide by the Islamic teachings. Eventually, Jesus will slay the Antichrist Dajjal, and then everyone from the People of the Book (ahl al-kitāb, referring to Jews and Christians) will believe in him. Thus, there will be one community, that of Islam. Sahih Muslim, 41:7023

    One of the most well known yogis in the western world has written about the second coming of Christ, albeit he portrays it as an internal experience.

    In modern times some traditional Indian religious leaders have moved to embrace Jesus as an Avatar, or incarnation, of God. In light of this, the Indian guru Paramahansa Yogananda, author of Autobiography of a Yogi, wrote an extensive commentary on the Gospels published in 2004 in the two-volume set The Second Coming of Christ: The Resurrection of the Christ Within You. The book offers a mystical interpretation of the Second Coming in which it is understood to be an inner experience, something that takes place within the individual heart. In the introduction of this book, Yogananda wrote that the true Second Coming is the resurrection within you of the Infinite Christ Consciousness. Also stated in the Book of Luke – “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)

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    From today’s reading:

    …when the records were left blank concerning much that was said that Tuesday evening, there grew up many traditions; and very early in the second century a Jewish apocalyptic about the Messiah written by one Selta, who was attached to the court of the Emperor Caligula, was bodily copied into the Matthew Gospel and subsequently added (in part) to the Mark and Luke records. It was in these writings of Selta that the parable of the ten virgins appeared. No part of the gospel record ever suffered such confusing misconstruction as this evening’s teaching. But the Apostle John never became thus confused…. (1915.5)176:2.8

    Here are those verses, beginning with Matthew’s strange rambling account:

    27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

    33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

    34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

    39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

    43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

    44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

    45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

    46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

    47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

    48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

    49 And shall begin to smite his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

    50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

    51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Matthew’s ten virgins appears in chapter 25:

    1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

    And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

    They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

    But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

    While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

    And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

    Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

    And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

    But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

    10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

    11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

    12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

    13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

    From Mark 13:

    24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

    25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

    26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

    27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

    28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

    29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

    30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

    31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

    32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

    33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

    34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

    35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

    36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

    37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

    From Luke 21:

    27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

    28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

    29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

    30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

    31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

    32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

    33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

    34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

    35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

    36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

     

    Selta is mentioned nowhere else in the UB, and a Google search turns up nothing.

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    From today’s reading:

    …But the Apostle John never became thus confused…. (1915.5)176:2.8

    From the Gospel of John, chapter 14:

    And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

    From Wikipedia:

    The time of the second coming is spoken of as “that Day” (2 Tim. 4:8) “the day of the Lord” (1 Thess. 5:2), “the day of Christ” (Phil 1:6), “the day of the Son of Man” (Luke 17:30), and “the last day” (John 6:39-40).

    John, chapter 6:

    39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

    40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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    From today’s reading:

    “…And when the kingdom shall have come to its full fruition, be assured that the Father in heaven will not fail to visit you with an enlarged revelation of truth and an enhanced demonstration of righteousness….” (1914:4) 176:2.3

    From Paper 52:

    …Each dispensation, each mortal epoch, receives an enlarged presentation of spiritual truth and religious ethics…. (591:3) 52:2.3

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    In today’s reading Jesus mentions the coming of the Spirit of Truth:

    …be of good courage, for I will sometime return. In the meantime, my Spirit of the Truth of a universe shall comfort and guide you…. (1914.4)176:2.3

    Paper 194 has much more about the bestowal of this comforting Spirit:

    Bestowal of the Spirit of Truth

    1. The Pentecost Sermon
    2. The Significance of Pentecost

    3. What Happened at Pentecost

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    Tomorrow’s reading is Section 3. Later Discussion at the Camp. Thomas asks Jesus what to do while he is away. The Master once more alludes to the parable of the talents.

    Overview of Paper 176 – Tuesday Evening on Mount Olivet

    1. The Destruction of Jerusalem

    2. The Master’s Second Coming

    3. Later Discussion at the Camp

    4. The Return of Michael

    This group of papers [121-196] was sponsored by a commission of twelve Urantia midwayers acting under the supervision of a Melchizedek revelatory director. The basis of this narrative was supplied by a secondary midwayer who was onetime assigned to the superhuman watchcare of the Apostle Andrew.

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    Paper 176 – TUESDAY EVENING ON MOUNT OLIVET

    3. Later Discussion at the Camp

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       As they gathered about the campfire, some twenty of them, Thomas asked: “Since you are to return to finish the work of the kingdom, what should be our attitude while you are away on the Father’s business?” As Jesus looked them over by the firelight, he answered:

    (1916.2)176:3.2“And even you, Thomas, fail to comprehend what I have been saying. Have I not all this time taught you that your connection with the kingdom is spiritual and individual, wholly a matter of personal experience in the spirit by the faith-realization that you are a son of God? What more shall I say? The downfall of nations, the crash of empires, the destruction of the unbelieving Jews, the end of an age, even the end of the world, what have these things to do with one who believes this gospel, and who has hid his life in the surety of the eternal kingdom? You who are God-knowing and gospel-believing have already received the assurances of eternal life. Since your lives have been lived in the spirit and for the Father, nothing can be of serious concern to you. Kingdom builders, the accredited citizens of the heavenly worlds, are not to be disturbed by temporal upheavals or perturbed by terrestrial cataclysms. What does it matter to you who believe this gospel of the kingdom if nations overturn, the age ends, or all things visible crash, since you know that your life is the gift of the Son, and that it is eternally secure in the Father? Having lived the temporal life by faith and having yielded the fruits of the spirit as the righteousness of loving service for your fellows, you can confidently look forward to the next step in the eternal career with the same survival faith that has carried you through your first and earthly adventure in sonship with God.

    (1916.3)176:3.3“Each generation of believers should carry on their work, in view of the possible return of the Son of Man, exactly as each individual believer carries forward his lifework in view of inevitable and ever-impending natural death. When you have by faith once established yourself as a son of God, nothing else matters as regards the surety of survival. But make no mistake! this survival faith is a living faith, and it increasingly manifests the fruits of that divine spirit which first inspired it in the human heart. That you have once accepted sonship in the heavenly kingdom will not save you in the face of the knowing and persistent rejection of those truths which have to do with the progressive spiritual fruit-bearing of the sons of God in the flesh. You who have been with me in the Father’s business on earth can even now desert the kingdom if you find that you love not the way of the Father’s service for mankind.

    (1916.4)176:3.4“As individuals, and as a generation of believers, hear me while I speak a parable: There was a certain great man who, before starting out on a long journey to another country, called all his trusted servants before him and delivered into their hands all his goods. To one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one. And so on down through the entire group of honored stewards, to each he intrusted his goods according to their several abilities; and then he set out on his journey. When their lord had departed, his servants set themselves at work to gain profits from the wealth intrusted to them. Immediately he who had received five talents began to trade with them and very soon had made a profit of another five talents. In like manner he who had received two talents soon had gained two more. And so did all of these servants make gains for their master except him who received but one talent. He went away by himself and dug a hole in the earth where he hid his lord’s money. Presently the lord of those servants unexpectedly returned and called upon his stewards for a reckoning. And when they had all been called before their master, he who had received the five talents came forward with the money which had been intrusted to him and brought five additional talents, saying, ‘Lord, you gave me five talents to invest, and I am glad to present five other talents as my gain.’ And then his lord said to him: ‘Well done, good and faithful servant, you have been faithful over a few things; I will now set you as steward over many; enter forthwith into the joy of your lord.’ And then he who had received the two talents came forward, saying: ‘Lord, you delivered into my hands two talents; behold, I have gained these other two talents.’ And his lord then said to him: ‘Well done, good and faithful steward; you also have been faithful over a few things, and I will now set you over many; enter you into the joy of your lord.’ And then there came to the accounting he who had received the one talent. This servant came forward, saying, ‘Lord, I knew you and realized that you were a shrewd man in that you expected gains where you had not personally labored; therefore was I afraid to risk aught of that which was intrusted to me. I safely hid your talent in the earth; here it is; you now have what belongs to you.’ But his lord answered: ‘You are an indolent and slothful steward. By your own words you confess that you knew I would require of you an accounting with reasonable profit, such as your diligent fellow servants have this day rendered. Knowing this, you ought, therefore, to have at least put my money into the hands of the bankers that on my return I might have received my own with interest.’ And then to the chief steward this lord said: ‘Take away this one talent from this unprofitable servant and give it to him who has the ten talents.’*

    (1917.1)176:3.5“To every one who has, more shall be given, and he shall have abundance; but from him who has not, even that which he has shall be taken away. You cannot stand still in the affairs of the eternal kingdom. My Father requires all his children to grow in grace and in a knowledge of the truth. You who know these truths must yield the increase of the fruits of the spirit and manifest a growing devotion to the unselfish service of your fellow servants. And remember that, inasmuch as you minister to one of the least of my brethren, you have done this service to me.

     

     

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    Good Day Bonita, Gene, Brad, Alina, Carola, Fellow Students, Forum Friends, Members and Guests,

    Jesus sounds almost exasperated:

    “…Have I not all this time taught you that your connection with the kingdom is spiritual and individual, wholly a matter of personal experience in the spirit by the faith-realization that you are a son of God? What more shall I say? (1916.2)176:3.2

    He says much more. And he gives the world another version of the parable of the pounds. Compare today’s reading with this from Paper 171:8:

    “…And now, as the rejected nobleman of this parable, I would call before me my twelve servants, special stewards, and giving into each of your hands the sum of one pound, I would admonish each to heed well my instructions that you trade diligently with your trust fund while I am away that you may have wherewith to justify your stewardship when I return, when a reckoning shall be required of you.1876.1) 171:8.4

    Also in that Section, the Midwayers note the different hearers of the two parables:

     …The parable of the pounds, unlike the parable of the talents, which was intended for all the disciples, was spoken more exclusively to the apostles…. (1875.7) 171:8.2

    This is how the two parables appear in the Gospels:

    From Luke 19 (pounds):

    12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

    13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

    14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

    15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

    16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.

    17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

    18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.

    19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

    20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:

    21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

    22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

    23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?

    24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.

    25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)

    26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

    From Matthew 25 (talents):

    14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

    15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

    16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

    17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

    18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord’s money.

    19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

    20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

    21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

    22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

    23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

    24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

    25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

    26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

    27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

    28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

    29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

    30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    From Wikipedia:

    The parable of the talents or parable of the minas, also known as the parable of the pounds or the “parable of talents”, is one of the parables of Jesus. It appears in two of the canonical gospels of the New Testament and a variant is also found in the noncanonical Gospel of the Hebrews. The differences between Matthew 25:14-30 and the Luke 19:12-27 are substantial, and the two parables may not be derived from the same source. In Matthew, the opening words appear to link the parable to the preceding parable of the Ten Virgins, a parable about the Kingdom of Heaven.

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    It should be noted that none of the other Gospel authors mention these two parables.

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    Tomorrow’s reading is the last half of Section 3. Later Discussion at the Camp. In it Jesus concludes the parable with “carry on”. And the Midwayers inject some of their wisdom, citing the Spirit of Truth’s leading, and the ‘accounting’ we all face after mortal death, in the next life.

     

    Overview of Paper 176 – Tuesday Evening on Mount Olivet

    1. The Destruction of Jerusalem

    2. The Master’s Second Coming

    3. Later Discussion at the Camp

    4. The Return of Michael

    This group of papers [121-196] was sponsored by a commission of twelve Urantia midwayers acting under the supervision of a Melchizedek revelatory director. The basis of this narrative was supplied by a secondary midwayer who was onetime assigned to the superhuman watchcare of the Apostle Andrew.

    Listen to Paper 176: (click the speaker icon at the top of the page)

    Thanks for reading. Members’ thoughts, reflections, insights, observations, comments, corrections and questions about today’s OPAD presentation are invited.

    Much love, Rick/OPAD host.

    Richard E Warren

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    Richard E Warren
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    Welcome to The OPAD Online Study Session

    Today’s Presentation

    Paper 176 – TUESDAY EVENING ON MOUNT OLIVET

    3. Later Discussion at the Camp

    [Part 2 of 2]

     

    “And so should you go about the work of the Father’s business, now and henceforth, even forevermore. Carry on until I come. In faithfulness do that which is intrusted to you, and thereby shall you be ready for the reckoning call of death. And having thus lived for the glory of the Father and the satisfaction of the Son, you shall enter with joy and exceedingly great pleasure into the eternal service of the everlasting kingdom.”

    (1917.3) 176:3.7 Truth is living; the Spirit of Truth is ever leading the children of light into new realms of spiritual reality and divine service. You are not given truth to crystallize into settled, safe, and honored forms. Your revelation of truth must be so enhanced by passing through your personal experience that new beauty and actual spiritual gains will be disclosed to all who behold your spiritual fruits and in consequence thereof are led to glorify the Father who is in heaven. Only those faithful servants who thus grow in the knowledge of the truth, and who thereby develop the capacity for divine appreciation of spiritual realities, can ever hope to “enter fully into the joy of their Lord.” What a sorry sight for successive generations of the professed followers of Jesus to say, regarding their stewardship of divine truth: “Here, Master, is the truth you committed to us a hundred or a thousand years ago. We have lost nothing; we have faithfully preserved all you gave us; we have allowed no changes to be made in that which you taught us; here is the truth you gave us.” But such a plea concerning spiritual indolence will not justify the barren steward of truth in the presence of the Master. In accordance with the truth committed to your hands will the Master of truth require a reckoning.

    (1918.1) 176:3.8 In the next world you will be asked to give an account of the endowments and stewardships of this world. Whether inherent talents are few or many, a just and merciful reckoning must be faced. If endowments are used only in selfish pursuits and no thought is bestowed upon the higher duty of obtaining increased yield of the fruits of the spirit, as they are manifested in the ever-expanding service of men and the worship of God, such selfish stewards must accept the consequences of their deliberate choosing.

    (1918.2) 176:3.9 And how much like all selfish mortals was this unfaithful servant with the one talent in that he blamed his slothfulness directly upon his lord. How prone is man, when he is confronted with the failures of his own making, to put the blame upon others, oftentimes upon those who least deserve it!

    (1918.3) 176:3.10 Said Jesus that night as they went to their rest: “Freely have you received; therefore freely should you give of the truth of heaven, and in the giving will this truth multiply and show forth the increasing light of saving grace, even as you minister it.”

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    [Each OPAD presentation is copied from The Urantia Book published by Urantia Foundation. Questions and comments related to the Paper under discussion are welcome and encouraged. In-depth questions and related topics may be studied in branch threads in the OPAD, or other subforums, as you require. Thank you for studying with us.]

    Richard E Warren

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    Greetings Bonita, Gene, Brad, Carola, Fellow Students, Forum Friends, Members and Visitors,

    These closing words from Jesus about the next life sound good, don’t they!

    “…you shall enter with joy and exceedingly great pleasure into the eternal service of the everlasting kingdom….” (1917.2) 176:3.6

    Most of the rest of Section 3 is instruction from the Midwayers, beginning with this statement that is echoed in several other Papers:

    …Truth is living…. (1917.3) 176:3.7

     From an Archangel in Paper 79:

    …Truth is relative and expanding; it lives always in the present…. (888:1) 79:8.8

    Jesus to Ganid in Paper 130:

    …The finite shadow of relative and living truth is continually moving…. (1436:1) 130:4.15

    From a Melchizedek in Paper 102:

    …Of God, the most inescapable of all presences, the most real of all facts, the most living of all truths, the most loving of all friends, and the most divine of all values, we have the right to be the most certain of all universe experiences…. (1127:4) 102:7.10

    From Jesus’ discourse on sonship and citizenship, Paper 178:

    …This gospel of the kingdom is a living truth…. (1931:6) 178:1.15

    Quoting Jesus, Paper 162:

    “…When the Son of Man has finished his work on earth, there shall be poured out upon all flesh the living Spirit of Truth. Those who receive this spirit shall never know spiritual thirst….” (1795:5) 162:6.1

    The Midwayers, Paper 195:

    …Truth often becomes confusing and even misleading when it is dismembered, segregated, isolated, and too much analyzed. Living truth teaches the truth seeker aright only when it is embraced in wholeness and as a living spiritual reality, not as a fact of material science or an inspiration of intervening art…. (2075:5) 195:5.2

    There are many, many other quotes in the book depicting God’s Truth as living.

     

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    It’s a fascinating subject, this judgement day we all will face. From today’s reading:

    …In the next world you will be asked to give an account of the endowments and stewardships of this world…. (1918.1) 176:3.8

    What do you think these consequences will be?

    …such selfish stewards must accept the consequences of their deliberate choosing…. (1918.1) 176:3.8

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    The Midwayers end this Section with a well know adage:

    “…Freely have you received; therefore freely should you give of the truth of heaven….” (1918.3) 176:3.10

    That adage appears in a half dozen paragraphs of the UB, this one is in 159:

    “…I say to all of you: Freely you have received the good things of the kingdom; therefore freely give to your fellows on earth….” (1763.2) 159:1.5

    But it appears only once in the Gospel record. From Matthew 10:

    8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

     

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    Tomorrow’s reading is Section 4. The Return of Michael, the last of 176. In it the Midwayers discuss the “second advent”, even suggest there may be many such advents in the fullness of time, but with the firm caveat that NOBODY knows when any of these forecast advents will occur.

    Overview of Paper 176 – Tuesday Evening on Mount Olivet

    1. The Destruction of Jerusalem

    2. The Master’s Second Coming

    3. Later Discussion at the Camp

    4. The Return of Michael

    This group of papers [121-196] was sponsored by a commission of twelve Urantia midwayers acting under the supervision of a Melchizedek revelatory director. The basis of this narrative was supplied by a secondary midwayer who was onetime assigned to the superhuman watchcare of the Apostle Andrew.

    Listen to Paper 176: (click the speaker icon at the top of the page)

    Thanks for reading. Members’ thoughts, reflections, insights, observations, comments, corrections and questions about today’s OPAD presentation are invited.

    Much love, Rick/OPAD host.

    Richard E Warren

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