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Rick Warren wrote: The main pillar of the three transcendentals has to be Truth. None of the three is indispensable to philosophy or reality, but Truth sets up a universal standard that Goodness and Beauty might be realized alongside Truth. This standard establishes a Central Truth, to which all else is related and relative. Now I’m wondering, what all does such a universal Standard of Truth imply, personally, collectively, and cosmically?!
The central truth, the so-called standard of truth you refer to, exists only on Paradise. We critters out here in the worlds of time and space can only hope for a relative form of truth. The final and divine truth found on Paradise is perfect truth (supertruth); it is uniform and universal. We can never attain perfect truth because it is an existential reality and we are experiential, imperfect creatures. Our form of truth approaches perfection as we ascend toward Paradise, but it is a perfected form of truth that we attain. Then there is more; after discovering the perfected truth of the Supreme, we seek the absonite level of truth evolving in God the Ultimate.
2:7.3 Divine truth, final truth, is uniform and universal, but the story of things spiritual, as it is told by numerous individuals hailing from various spheres, may sometimes vary in details owing to this relativity in the completeness of knowledge and in the repleteness of personal experience as well as in the length and extent of that experience.
159:4.8 Mark you well my words, Nathaniel, nothing which human nature has touched can be regarded as infallible. Through the mind of man divine truth may indeed shine forth, but always of relative purity and partial divinity. The creature may crave infallibility, but only the Creators possess it.
117:1.7 Truth, beauty, and goodness are correlated in the ministry of the Spirit, the grandeur of Paradise, the mercy of the Son, and the experience of the Supreme. God the Supreme is truth, beauty, and goodness, for these concepts of divinity represent finite maximums of ideational experience. The eternal sources of these triune qualities of divinity are on superfinite levels, but a creature could only conceive of such sources as supertruth, superbeauty, and supergoodness.
115:3.19 The final penetration of the truth, beauty, and goodness of the Supreme Being could only open up to the progressing creature those absonite qualities of ultimate divinity which lie beyond the concept levels of truth, beauty, and goodness.
Fortunately for us, we have the source of final and perfect Truth living in our heads, the Thought Adjuster. We also have the revealer of living truth toiling in our souls. What does that mean personally, collectively and cosmically? It means we’re supposed to follow our inner leader to Paradise and back. We’re supposed to become perfected finaliters and work towards evolution of the Supreme, a manifestation of living perfection in the experiential worlds of time and space, then seek the Ultimate and beyond. All we have to do is follow Michael, who is the way, the truth and the life, our loving shepherd.
56:6.3 The material-minded creatures of the evolutionary worlds of the seven superuniverses can comprehend Deity unity only as it is evolving in this power-personality synthesis of the Supreme Being. On any level of existence God cannot exceed the conceptual capacity of the beings who live on such a level. Mortal man must, through the recognition of truth, the appreciation of beauty, and the worship of goodness, evolve the recognition of a God of love and then progress through ascending deity levels to the comprehension of the Supreme. Deity, having been thus grasped as unified in power, can then be personalized in spirit to creature understanding and attainment.
21:6.4 Just as the Deity of the Supreme is actualizing by virtue of experiential service, so are the Creator Sons achieving the personal realization of the Paradise-divinity potentials bound up in their unfathomable natures. When on Urantia, Christ Michael once said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” And we believe that in eternity the Michaels are literally destined to be “the way, the truth, and the life,” ever blazing the path for all universe personalities as it leads from supreme divinity through ultimate absonity to eternal deity finality.
Rick Warren wrote: The main pillar of the three transcendentals has to be Truth. None of the three is indispensable to philosophy or reality, but Truth sets up a universal standard that Goodness and Beauty might be realized alongside Truth. This standard establishes a Central Truth, to which all else is related and relative. Now I’m wondering, what all does such a universal Standard of Truth imply, personally, collectively, and cosmically?!The central truth, the so-called standard of truth you refer to, exists only on Paradise. We critters out here in the worlds of time and space can only hope for a relative form of truth. The final and divine truth found on Paradise is perfect truth (supertruth); it is uniform and universal. We can never attain perfect truth because it is an existential reality and we are experiential, imperfect creatures. Our form of truth approaches perfection as we ascend toward Paradise, but it is a perfected form of truth that we attain. Then there is more; after discovering the perfected truth of the Supreme, we seek the absonite level of truth evolving in God the Ultimate.
2:7.3 Divine truth, final truth, is uniform and universal, but the story of things spiritual, as it is told by numerous individuals hailing from various spheres, may sometimes vary in details owing to this relativity in the completeness of knowledge and in the repleteness of personal experience as well as in the length and extent of that experience.
159:4.8 Mark you well my words, Nathaniel, nothing which human nature has touched can be regarded as infallible. Through the mind of man divine truth may indeed shine forth, but always of relative purity and partial divinity. The creature may crave infallibility, but only the Creators possess it.
117:1.7 Truth, beauty, and goodness are correlated in the ministry of the Spirit, the grandeur of Paradise, the mercy of the Son, and the experience of the Supreme. God the Supreme is truth, beauty, and goodness, for these concepts of divinity represent finite maximums of ideational experience. The eternal sources of these triune qualities of divinity are on superfinite levels, but a creature could only conceive of such sources as supertruth, superbeauty, and supergoodness.
115:3.19 The final penetration of the truth, beauty, and goodness of the Supreme Being could only open up to the progressing creature those absonite qualities of ultimate divinity which lie beyond the concept levels of truth, beauty, and goodness.
Fortunately for us, we have the source of final and perfect Truth living in our heads, the Thought Adjuster. We also have the revealer of living truth toiling in our souls. What does that mean personally, collectively and cosmically? It means we’re supposed to follow our inner leader to Paradise and back. We’re supposed to become perfected finaliters and work towards evolution of the Supreme, a manifestation of living perfection in the experiential worlds of time and space, then seek the Ultimate and beyond. All we have to do is follow Michael, who is the way, the truth and the life, our loving shepherd.
56:6.3 The material-minded creatures of the evolutionary worlds of the seven superuniverses can comprehend Deity unity only as it is evolving in this power-personality synthesis of the Supreme Being. On any level of existence God cannot exceed the conceptual capacity of the beings who live on such a level. Mortal man must, through the recognition of truth, the appreciation of beauty, and the worship of goodness, evolve the recognition of a God of love and then progress through ascending deity levels to the comprehension of the Supreme. Deity, having been thus grasped as unified in power, can then be personalized in spirit to creature understanding and attainment. 21:6.4 Just as the Deity of the Supreme is actualizing by virtue of experiential service, so are the Creator Sons achieving the personal realization of the Paradise-divinity potentials bound up in their unfathomable natures. When on Urantia, Christ Michael once said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” And we believe that in eternity the Michaels are literally destined to be “the way, the truth, and the life,” ever blazing the path for all universe personalities as it leads from supreme divinity through ultimate absonity to eternal deity finality.
Thanks Bonita, was hoping you would bring in the big guns (and so much more)…Supertruth, superbeauty, supergoodness! From critterhood to the Absolute, Truth enlightens, loves, and leads.
Truth has so many close relatives out here in time and space, doesn’t it? Like wisdom, knowledge, reason, insight, intuition, logic, fact, reality, faith too. And so many distant relatives: error, mistake, inaccuracy, miscalculation, blunder, oversight, fallacy, misconception, delusion, boo-boo, goof
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Richard E Warren
Truth has so many close relatives out here in time and space, doesn’t it? Like wisdom . . .
Hmmmm. I don’t know about close relatives . . . actually more like cousins.
Wisdom and truth are on two different levels of reality. Recall the bit about the reality responses of the cosmic mind? Wisdom is at the level of duty, the moral and philosophic realm of mental reality. Truth is at the level of worship, the highest insight of the cosmic mind, which is the realm of the soul.
Wisdom is an adjutant level of mind function; truth is a soul level of supermind (soul) function. They are related only when they become unified by personality.
180:5.2 Divine truth is a spirit-discerned and living reality. Truth exists only on high spiritual levels of the realization of divinity and the consciousness of communion with God. You can know the truth, and you can live the truth; you can experience the growth of truth in the soul and enjoy the liberty of its enlightenment in the mind, but you cannot imprison truth in formulas, codes, creeds, or intellectual patterns of human conduct. When you undertake the human formulation of divine truth, it speedily dies. The post-mortem salvage of imprisoned truth, even at best, can eventuate only in the realization of a peculiar form of intellectualized glorified wisdom. Static truth is dead truth, and only dead truth can be held as a theory. Living truth is dynamic and can enjoy only an experiential existence in the human mind.
180:5.3 Intelligence grows out of a material existence which is illuminated by the presence of the cosmic mind. Wisdom comprises the consciousness of knowledge elevated to new levels of meaning and activated by the presence of the universe endowment of the adjutant of wisdom. Truth is a spiritual reality value experienced only by spirit-endowed beings who function upon supermaterial levels of universe consciousness, and who, after the realization of truth, permit its spirit of activation to live and reign within their souls.
What say you about how faith may fit into all of this TBG stuff?
Well, since this topic is about truth, how about faith and truth? Consider this quote:
p1141:5 103:9.7 Faith most willingly carries reason along as far as reason can go and then goes on with wisdom to the full philosophic limit; and then it dares to launch out upon the limitless and never-ending universe journey in the sole company of TRUTH.
What they are saying here is that the adjutant mind thinks as best it can with its reason (science). Then, when utilizing the highest adjutant, the spirit of wisdom, the mind breaches the gateway to the soul. When wisdom has done all it can, when it has reached its full philosophic limit of adjutant thinking, it dares to think with the soul (a.k.a. soul-consciousness). Once you start thinking with the supermind at the soul level, you’re thinking in the soul company of TRUTH (the Spirit of Truth). Bingo! That means you’ve begun to do what the revelators have asked:
p2097:2 196:3.3 The great challenge to modern man is to achieve better communication with the divine Monitor that dwells within the human mind. Man’s greatest adventure in the flesh consists in the well-balanced and sane effort to advance the borders of self-consciousness out through the dim realms of embryonic soul-consciousness in a wholehearted effort to reach the borderland of spirit-consciousness—contact with the divine presence. Such an experience constitutes God-consciousness, an experience mightily confirmative of the pre-existent truth of the religious experience of knowing God. Such spirit-consciousness is the equivalent of the knowledge of the actuality of sonship with God. Otherwise, the assurance of sonship is the experience of faith.
As noted in the last sentence of that quote, anything below the level of the soul is achieved through faith. Truth is a soul level of reality. It does not require faith. That sounds almost blasphemous, doesn’t it? Faith is what carries you to truth; it carries you to the gateway of the soul where Truth lives. Truth is inconcussible (118:3.3), he’s an assurance, a certainty because truth is reality. Faith is the hope of the possibility of discovering truth (reality). The recognition of truth in the soul is an experience that gives certitude because Truth can be known and known now! Truth can be acted out and lived! Recognition of truth is a supermaterial reality phenomenon that is unshakable, meaning faith has already played its role in discovery. What is left then is allowing the Spirit of Truth to interpret (relationship) and the personality to choose. Discover, recognize, interpret and choose, that’s all you can do, and all you need to do. Faith and trust start the process.
102:2.4 Knowledge is an eternal quest; always are you learning, but never are you able to arrive at the full knowledge of absolute truth. In knowledge alone there can never be absolute certainty, only increasing probability of approximation; but the religious soul of spiritual illumination knows, and knows now. And yet this profound and positive certitude does not lead such a sound-minded religionist to take any less interest in the ups and downs of the progress of human wisdom, which is bound up on its material end with the developments of slow-moving science.
Gene wrote: So maybe faith is the feed forward and truth the feedback in scientific terms that isHaha. Not sure about that one. I think both can be considered feed forward, but on different levels. Feedback is iffy. Feedback can cause distortion.
I think that maybe faith is feed upward, while the fruits of the spirit, which come from soul levels of activated truth, are the result of flow outward. But I think it’s all rather elliptical, so none of this is really accurate. But it is fun to think about, so thanks.
Truth has so many close relatives out here in time and space, doesn’t it? Like wisdom . . .
Hmmmm. I don’t know about close relatives . . . actually more like cousins. Wisdom and truth are on two different levels of reality. Recall the bit about the reality responses of the cosmic mind? Wisdom is at the level of duty, the moral and philosophic realm of mental reality. Truth is at the level of worship, the highest insight of the cosmic mind, which is the realm of the soul. Wisdom is an adjutant level of mind function; truth is a soul level of supermind (soul) function. They are related only when they become unified by personality.
180:5.2 Divine truth is a spirit-discerned and living reality. Truth exists only on high spiritual levels of the realization of divinity and the consciousness of communion with God. You can know the truth, and you can live the truth; you can experience the growth of truth in the soul and enjoy the liberty of its enlightenment in the mind, but you cannot imprison truth in formulas, codes, creeds, or intellectual patterns of human conduct. When you undertake the human formulation of divine truth, it speedily dies. The post-mortem salvage of imprisoned truth, even at best, can eventuate only in the realization of a peculiar form of intellectualized glorified wisdom. Static truth is dead truth, and only dead truth can be held as a theory. Living truth is dynamic and can enjoy only an experiential existence in the human mind. 180:5.3 Intelligence grows out of a material existence which is illuminated by the presence of the cosmic mind. Wisdom comprises the consciousness of knowledge elevated to new levels of meaning and activated by the presence of the universe endowment of the adjutant of wisdom. Truth is a spiritual reality value experienced only by spirit-endowed beings who function upon supermaterial levels of universe consciousness, and who, after the realization of truth, permit its spirit of activation to live and reign within their souls.
Thanks Bonita, for yet another overflowing basket of insight and reflection. Logic and intuition impinge on Truth too, with one on each end of the Truth spectrum, no?
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Richard E Warren
What say you about how faith may fit into all of this TBG stuff?
Well, since this topic is about truth, how about faith and truth? Consider this quote:
p1141:5 103:9.7 Faith most willingly carries reason along as far as reason can go and then goes on with wisdom to the full philosophic limit; and then it dares to launch out upon the limitless and never-ending universe journey in the sole company of TRUTH.
What they are saying here is that the adjutant mind thinks as best it can with its reason (science). Then, when utilizing the highest adjutant, the spirit of wisdom, the mind breaches the gateway to the soul. When wisdom has done all it can, when it has reached its full philosophic limit of adjutant thinking, it dares to think with the soul (a.k.a. soul-consciousness). Once you start thinking with the supermind at the soul level, you’re thinking in the soul company of TRUTH (the Spirit of Truth). Bingo! That means you’ve begun to do what the revelators have asked:
p2097:2 196:3.3 The great challenge to modern man is to achieve better communication with the divine Monitor that dwells within the human mind. Man’s greatest adventure in the flesh consists in the well-balanced and sane effort to advance the borders of self-consciousness out through the dim realms of embryonic soul-consciousness in a wholehearted effort to reach the borderland of spirit-consciousness—contact with the divine presence. Such an experience constitutes God-consciousness, an experience mightily confirmative of the pre-existent truth of the religious experience of knowing God. Such spirit-consciousness is the equivalent of the knowledge of the actuality of sonship with God. Otherwise, the assurance of sonship is the experience of faith.
As noted in the last sentence of that quote, anything below the level of the soul is achieved through faith. Truth is a soul level of reality. It does not require faith. That sounds almost blasphemous, doesn’t it? Faith is what carries you to truth; it carries you to the gateway of the soul where Truth lives. Truth is inconcussible (118:3.3), he’s an assurance, a certainty because truth is reality. Faith is the hope of the possibility of discovering truth (reality). The recognition of truth in the soul is an experience that gives certitude because Truth can be known and known now! Truth can be acted out and lived! Recognition of truth is a supermaterial reality phenomenon that is unshakable, meaning faith has already played its role in discovery. What is left then is allowing the Spirit of Truth to interpret (relationship) and the personality to choose. Discover, recognize, interpret and choose, that’s all you can do, and all you need to do. Faith and trust start the process.
102:2.4 Knowledge is an eternal quest; always are you learning, but never are you able to arrive at the full knowledge of absolute truth. In knowledge alone there can never be absolute certainty, only increasing probability of approximation; but the religious soul of spiritual illumination knows, and knows now. And yet this profound and positive certitude does not lead such a sound-minded religionist to take any less interest in the ups and downs of the progress of human wisdom, which is bound up on its material end with the developments of slow-moving science.
Does Bonita’s round (elliptical?) reply satisfy your goodly question, Gene?
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Richard E Warren
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What do you think of this Wikipedia introduction to Truth, its accuracy, flaws, its relation to the revealed truth in the UB?
Truth is most often used to mean being in accord with fact or reality, [1] or fidelity to an original or standard. [1] Truth may also often be used in modern contexts to refer to an idea of “truth to self,” or authenticity.
The commonly understood opposite of truth is falsehood, which, correspondingly, can also take on a logical, factual, or ethical meaning. The concept of truth is discussed and debated in several contexts, including philosophy, art, and religion. Many human activities depend upon the concept, where its nature as a concept is assumed rather than being a subject of discussion; these include most (but not all) of the sciences, law, journalism, and everyday life. Some philosophers view the concept of truth as basic, and unable to be explained in any terms that are more easily understood than the concept of truth itself. Commonly, truth is viewed as the correspondence of language or thought to an independent reality, in what is sometimes called the correspondence theory of truth.
Other philosophers take this common meaning to be secondary and derivative. According to Martin Heidegger, the original meaning and essence of “Truth” in Ancient Greece was unconcealment, or the revealing or bringing of what was previously hidden into the open, as indicated by the original Greek term for truth, “Aletheia.” [3] On this view, the conception of truth as correctness is a later derivation from the concept’s original essence, a development Heidegger traces to the Latin term “Veritas.”
Pragmatists like C.S. Pierce take Truth to have some manner of essential relation to human practices for inquiring into and discovering Truth, with Pierce himself holding that Truth is what human inquiry would find out on a matter, if our practice of inquiry were taken as far as it could profitably go: “The opinion which is fated to be ultimately agreed to by all who investigate, is what we mean by the truth…” [4]
Various theories and views of truth continue to be debated among scholars, philosophers, and theologians. [5] Language and words are a means by which humans convey information to one another and the method used to determine what is a “truth” is termed a criterion of truth. There are differing claims on such questions as what constitutes truth: what things are truthbearers capable of being true or false; how to define and identify truth; the roles that faith-based and empirically based knowledge play; and whether truth is subjective or objective, relative or absolute.
Friedrich Nietzsche famously suggested that an ancient, metaphysical belief in the divinity of Truth lies at the heart of and has served as the foundation for the entire subsequent Western intellectual tradition: “But you will have gathered what I am getting at, namely, that it is still a metaphysical faith on which our faith in science rests–that even we knowers of today, we godless anti-metaphysicians still take our fire too, from the flame lit by the thousand-year old faith, the Christian faith which was also Plato’s faith, that God is Truth; that Truth is ‘Divine’…” [6][7]
Source: TRUTH
Richard E Warren
Rick Warren wrote: Logic and intuition impinge on Truth too, with one on each end of the Truth spectrum, no?Not exactly. It depends on how you define both of those words, particularly intuition. The first adjutant, the spirit of intuition, is the adjutant that makes contact with the lowest forms of mind. It has to do with quick perception, quick understanding, instinctive and reflexive behavior and self-preservation. I don’t think you mean that kind of intuition, do you? You probably mean spiritual intuition or spiritual insight?
36:5.6 1. The spirit of intuition — quick perception, the primitive physical and inherent reflex instincts, the directional and other self-preservative endowments of all mind creations; the only one of the adjutants to function so largely in the lower orders of animal life and the only one to make extensive functional contact with the nonteachable levels of mechanical mind.
Logic may not lead to truth, but I think truth is logical. I don’t think logic should be abandoned in the search for truth. TUB describes an adult form of logic which is part of truth-seeking. So, I’m not sure if it’s at one end of the truth continuum or rather an integral part of finding truth as a human being here on terra firma. I don’t think we mortals can integrate reality without logic. Even if we find truth in our souls, we have to keep it alive, not only in the spiritual realm, but in the mental and physical realms as well. We have to live on earth, not just above it.
102:6.9 Intelligent men should cease to reason like children and should attempt to use the consistent logic of adulthood, logic which tolerates the concept of truth alongside the observation of fact.
103:7.3 Logic is the synthetic truth-seeking progression of the unity of faith and reason and is founded on the constitutive mind endowments of mortal beings, the innate recognition of things, meanings, and values.
Rick Warren wrote: (Concerning C. S. Pierce) “The opinion which is fated to be ultimately agreed to by all who investigate, is what we mean by the truth…”Whenever you see the phrase “the truth”, you know that they’re really talking about facts. “The truth” is a thing. Truth is a person. If I called Rick, “the Rick”, I would be debasing him to the status of a fact or thing. Or, like the example of calling Mr. Trump “The Donald”, which gives him a facetiously derogatory title, also a thing. So, the opinion ultimately agreed to by all who investigate is fact, not truth. I think people confuse the two words very often. Then there are those who would sanctify fact to the level of a spirit and give it a title . . . a whole different problem. Criminy!Agree that facts are true but can never be truth. Indeed many lies contain fact or that which is true and the best lies are mostly or completely “true” or based on fact…but are nonetheless deceptions, falsehoods, and lies. This is why I have come to agree with Bonita that the so called spirit of fact is an error that is disassociated from the Spirit of Truth as truth is far more than fact. The Papers are filled with facts and endless truths may be discovered by their living but not merely by their reading. Truth, like faith, is an expression of knowledge and perspective at the moments of choosing and if truth and faith do not determine the choice made, then is there truth or faith?
I think truth is always based on the intersection of relationships or a personality and a situation or circumstance and the quality of such truth is measured by the reality response to one another or within situation/circumstance where the personality makes choices based on love. Is there truth without love? There are facts without love to be sure. And there is logic and intuition and insight without love.
But truth requires the spirit to be real and to access and to discern and to activate by its living. Truth is not known so much as it is lived and expressed….much like love itself I think. And it is functionally dependent upon love – the foundational reality of all other reality.
That which is true is not truth and truth is not truth if it is not lived and expressed. Can’t live or express fact – but we must interact with facts as well as with people and within circumstances and situations amidst our confusions and uncertainties. We can live a life based on ignorance, self importance, fear, and a whole host of unrealities but does such a life and person know truth? Truth is found in choosing and acting and its quality is determined according to the motives and intentions of the one choosing and acting I think. Truth is found in love and in service….or it will not be found at all.
Great discussion…thanks to all.
Bradly wrote: . . . This is why I have come to agree with Bonita that the so called spirit of fact is an error . . .Hooray! Thanks Bradly. You’re the only person in the entire TUB community who agrees with me on this. It means a lot to me. And you’re right in thinking that living truth is “based on the intersection of relationships” experienced by personalities. However, the concept of truth might exist without personality, it just isn’t living until it intersects with personality (an experiential relationship). Facts are static, unchanging. Truth is alive which demands relations.
1:7.3 The concept of truth might possibly be entertained apart from personality, . . .
102:7.2 The fact of God, the divine law, is changeless; the truth of God, his relation to the universe, is a relative revelation which is ever adaptable to the constantly evolving universe.
There are only three elements in universe reality: fact, idea and relation. (102:7.2) Notice that the word truth doesn’t show up as a universe reality. The reason is because relation is truth. I don’t think it’s an accident that the Spirit of Truth is the living spirit relationship between all things and beings.
56:10.13 The recognition of true relations implies a mind competent to discriminate between truth and error. The bestowal Spirit of Truth which invests the human minds of Urantia is unerringly responsive to truth — the living spirit relationship of all things and all beings as they are co-ordinated in the eternal ascent Godward.
Thanks all for such an interesting discussion! Bonita wrote:
“[…] I don’t think we mortals can integrate reality without logic. Even if we find truth in our souls, we have to keep it alive, not only in the spiritual realm, but in the mental and physical realms as well. We have to live on earth, not just above it.”
Hi Bonita, nicely put. If we think of truth as a technique for the assurance for pre-spiritual persons (1111.4, 101:5.14), then the “integrated reality” made accessible by Michael’s Divine Minister makes possible the very existence of such pre-spiritual persons.
And this touches the heart of what I was trying to imply with those paragraphs about one of the Divine Minister’s roles. Think of the way she serves as mediator for the 3 cosmic intuitions — how she makes accessible those distinct “intuitions of validity” that complement so perfectly Michael’s Spirit of Truth. These are the intuitions that help us discover, recognize and integrate the facts of reality: the fact of the adjuster’s presence, the fact that truth is made accessible, the fact of our Father’s personality circuit, the fact of the I AM, etc. These are the sort of facts I had in mind when I described one of her roles as “Spirit of Fact”; the sort of facts that serve as reliable and enduring foundation upon which living truth can grow.
Perhaps “Spirit of Fact” (or Spirit of the Meaning of Fact) was lazy shorthand. How about “Spirit of Reality Sensitivity” to define her role as mindal humidicrib, within which Michael’s Spirit of Truth can meet baby souls?
PS: For me (having suffered 6 years of Latin), fact brings to mind the roots of perfection: (per) thoroughly (feci/factum) made/done.
Nigel
Hey Nigel!!!!
I wonder if you are stating or inferring that truth is operational only in “baby souls”? Or is the Mother’s Spirit that you think makes the Son’s gift operational in the ascender’s soul? Sorry for my confusion. Truth abides for the discovery and utilization of all minds don’t you think? I’m reminded of the falsehoods which deliver rebellion and how truth can be lost by some for a season, even the angels and lower Sons. All mind + personality in time and space has free will for the acquirement of wisdom by the choices in experience – the discovery and embrace and expressions of truth. The more truth lived, the more real or reality aligned is life.
Also please expand on your idea about “reality sensitivity”. What is the role of epochal revelation in delivering “facts” of reality if the Mother’s Spirit were delivering reality sensitivity….I mean, the mortal epochs in Paper 52 would indicate that learning the facts of reality takes a long time by both example and education and we are given very few examples of those individuals who “saw” or otherwise perceived any realities of cosmology. But I am reminded that prior to the Son’s Spirit, the Father fragments are few enough so that the worlds of “baby souls” are ministered to only by or primarily by the Mother’s Spirit – so what is learned thereby? Where does the desire to know God and the ability to find God come from when the Son and Father’s spirits do not attend us? How is truth discovered at the intersections of living without them? Is there more than the Adjutants at work? Thanks for your insights.
From Rick’s Wiki post above:
“Other philosophers take this common meaning to be secondary and derivative. According to Martin Heidegger, the original meaning and essence of “Truth” in Ancient Greece was unconcealment, or the revealing or bringing of what was previously hidden into the open, as indicated by the original Greek term for truth, “Aletheia.” [3] On this view, the conception of truth as correctness is a later derivation from the concept’s original essence, a development Heidegger traces to the Latin term “Veritas.””
Would not “unconcealment” also equate to auto/personal revelation? Why is it, I wonder, that different students of the Papers discover different truths one from another and why does one student find new truths with every reading? What role has experience and wisdom in the recognition and the utilization of truth? While facts are changeless, truth changes everything including truth itself as it is revealed to us and then activated and applied by our free will. I recall the many rungs on the golden rule – every one a deeper and truer revelation and experience and expression of love – the more love applied with the more wisdom in every situation and circumstance and response, the more truth there is to be found or the more it is revealed.
Truth is revealed more than “discovered” I think….revealed within choice based on our inner most motive in choice and most sincere intent in act tempered by the wisdom with which all choice is made. Which of the Divine Spirits delivers personal revelation? For such is active prior to the Son’s gift as well as afterward.
Looking only for conversation and illumination here….my uncertainties far outweigh my clarity!!
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